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http://www.andaman.org/book/chapter6/text6.htm

{A few archaeological traces of populations with Negrito-Papuan-Austro-Melanesian affiliations have been found all over Indochina and southern China, some of it dating back 40,000 years. There are sites in Perak (Malaysia) older than 30,000 years and in Krabi (southern Thailand) between 27,000 and 38,000 years, to give just two examples. No archaeological proof of Negritos has so far been found in Burma (Myanmar) which has not been investigated archaeologically at all well but Burmese folk tales do seem to remember Negritos. They tell of short, dark-skinned, fuzzy-haired cannibal ogres who lived on the mouth of the great rivers and on islands off-shore. The situation is much clearer in Vietnam where the oldest known human population has unquestionably been Negrito. Skulls identified as Negrito have been found along the coast of Vietnam and dated to between 25,000 and 50,000 years. In Vietnam, the Negritos were replaced by (or perhaps developed into) people of Australoid and Melanesian type during the later Paleolithic, around 7000 years ago. Austroasiatic people (the ancestors of the Khmer and Champa) arrived still later and the last to arrive, only 2500 years ago, were Mongoloid immigrants from southern China. The present Vietnamese people are a very complex mixture of all these races. The ancient Negrito element has left traces, especially in the mountain tribes of southern Vietnam, which supports the view that they were not so much driven out or exterminated but absorbed by the later arrivals.}

Based on this link that was given by Hafti, 2500 years ago the Mongoloid from southern china which were probably the Han, Chin or the yueh migrated to what is now northern part of Vietnam. But if the Yueh were the dravidian(Melanesian), then it must be the Han that were the Mongoloid group. According to this site, it doesn't support that the populations that were inhabited in this region before the arrival of the mongoloid were light skin, it stated that they were Melanesian (Negrito), which they were dark-skinned with curly or fuzzy hair.
Therefore, since I'm a Vietnamese, I would support the theory that my ancestor came from one of the chinese dynasties rather than from the indigenous population. It makes no sense since most Vietnamese are light-skinned, have straight hair, and occasionally chinese eyes. There is a possibility that we have a certain degree of mixture with these local people, but nonetheless, it seems to be a small portion. Speaking about genetic, dark-skinned is a dominant gene, whereas light-skinned is a recessive gene; so a greater portion of the mongoloid gene would be mixing to form the modern day Vietnamese, the (Kinh). Just expressing my opinion.

Thanks for the link Hafti.
VNinterest Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 10:34:51 (PDT)

T dot O in 2k3:

Stop reading all that crap that those black "pride" activists write on their websites. Have you noticed that they have never had an email address on their websites? Most likely cause they know they'll be slandered for writing all that crap. Everything on those websites is full of bs. This is the actual truth: nothing good ever came out of the negroid race. They contributed nothing to civilization; all that they do do is corrupt it!
Black pride :( what a shame Monday, August 05, 2002 at 22:55:53 (PDT)

I cannot resist to post this here. Sorry to all if I am so vain.

"All Southeast Asian H. sapiens fossils prior to about 5,000 B.C. are of the type known as Bacson-Hoabinhians (because their culture was first recognized from the provinces of Hoa-binh, Hoa-nan, and Tan-hoa, in Vietnam’s Bacson mountains). The cave-dwelling Hoabinhians have been identified as members of the Australoid Veddoid group of peoples, who survive in isolated pockets in Malaya and the Philippines today. (The Toalas of southern Celebes would be examples of the Veddoid type.)

The Hoabinhians seem to have been of a commanding stature, six feet or so tall, with heavy bones, and possessed of large skulls with massive jaws and well-developed brow ridges. Their only known products were crudely chipped hand axes that can only with some difficulty be recognized as tools rather than naturally occurring rocks. Their skeletons are remarkably similar to present- day Melanesians, such as the people of New Caledonia and the Loyalty Islands. It is therefore thought that Australoids were the original “modern men” of this part of the globe, and that they were absorbed, driven to the uplands or pushed eastward by waves of Caucasoid and Mongoloid migration. These first modern men of the area seem to have been cannibals, as crushed human bones are found alongside discarded shells and debris of such prey animals as tapirs, elephants, deer and rhinoceri."

http://members.fortunecity.com/dikigoros/themalays.htm

Sooo actually, the present day vietnamese are likely to be less the descendant of the Dong Son(which were originated from the Hoabinhian.) All in all, modern Vietnamese are mongoloid race not Austronasian(Malay-polynesian). Like i said, if you want to see how the real Hoabinhian looks like, all you have to do is to travel to the islands where Malay-polynesian inhabited. Their culture, like the Dong Son, is lapita culture centered.

"It appears that there was a third wave of migration, perhaps originating in the Indo-China and the Yunan area of China and refered to as the Dong-son after the area in Vietnam where the culture was first identified. This appears to have passed through Melanesia, into Micronesia and then onto Polynesia and can be traced by certain design motifs."

http://www.samoa.co.uk/pacific-migration.html

here a link to learn more about the Dong Son, click on:
http://www.cloudband.com/gallery/shirleyday/introduction_copy.html

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HAFTI,

FYI, "Hafti, you need to see a doctor ASAP" wasn't me. I am not going to stoop low to ditch you. Think whatever you want...but my honor rest as fact.

"LOL, the chen dynasty one and the origin of nguyen one was the funniest!"
>>>Funny, but I did apologize you when I found out your last name. However, the "Ruan/Yuan/nguyen" surname may derive from China rather than in Vietnam. Since according to you, the Dong Son's who were the "real" Vietnamese didn't live in the northern province of China; therefore, the "Nguyen's" didn't inhered their last name from the dong Son. Quite honestly, I think you are delusion with bipolar disorder, and also paranoid. Just like the other guys who posted previously, I think you need help and seek a psychiatrist ASAP. BTW, don't compare me to you, since I don't twist scientific literature to fit my theory. Think whatever you want... And yes, I'm crazy in certain way to chat with a crazy person like you. But this post is not intended for you, it's for those who want to learn about the prehistoric man who lived at the Red Delta Valley, known as the "Hoabinhian".

Good bye and again, I proved you're wrong. Indeed, the Dong Son's were dark complexed people.

PS: If you think that you are a melanesian than be it, but most modern Vietnamese are Mongoloid origin. I'm light skin so I don't fit in your so called ethnic "Dong Son". Have fun, I'll be back with more research.

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To all, have a good day.
The TraveLLer Monday, August 05, 2002 at 20:49:40 (PDT)

What is Africoid,
No one is doubting that there were Africoid type people in China. There is historical and archaelogical evidence of that. The Chinese first came into contact with Africans during the Tang dynasty. This was due to trading with Arabs. Most of the Chinese art that you see depicting Africans are from that period -- not the Xia or the Shang dynasties, whom Afrocentrists claim are African.

However, there is no evidence that Negritos or any other type of Africoid founded the Shang or Xia dynasties. There is only one archaelogical site which researcher Jeremy Chang claims is a late Xia. Other researchers feel that it an early Shang site.

Now to your website:

"Early Chinese legends relate traditions of divine dynasties such as the Epoch of the Five Emperors. According to JA Rogers, the first Emperor, known as Fu-Hsi/Fu-hi (2953-2838BC) is described as a "wooly-haired Negro." Whether this was actually the case with this semi-legendary figure, we do not know."

What is your source? Which ancient Chinese text did this come from? There is no citation on your site to where JA Rogers makes this claim.

(FYI: the term li min literally means "black-headed". It does not denote someone of African origin. It was used by ancient Chinese to distinguish the noble class and the common people. The nobility of the Shang and Xia were lighter in skin tone because they weren't working under the sun as farmers like the commoners. Afrocentrists mistake this term for meaning African.

"Quite a few Chinese of the period wrote of "Black Dwarfs" with whom they shared the region. According to Chinese archaeologist Kwang-chih Chang, early skulls found in Southern China bore evidence of "Oceanic Negroid" types. He goes on to state that as early as 221BC (the Chin Dynasty), "Negritos whom the Chinese call 'Black Dwarfs' are reported in the mountainous districts south of the Yangtze."

This is probably true. Negritos in the Philippines, Australia, and Papua-New Guinea had to come from somewhere. However, the Yangtze river streches from the Himalayan mountains to the Pacific ocean. If you look at a map of China, the Yangtze river is further south from the Yellow river (where the Xia dynasty supposedly began). Reports of Negritos near the mountainous region south of the Yangtze are the Himilayas. This is a great distance from where the Xia and Shang began. Also, this report was made in the Qin dynasty. This is two dynasties after the Shang.

I see that you provided Van Sertima as a source. This is the same guy whose theory, that the Olmec were Africans, was demolished by Olmec scholars.

Again, all this site supports is that there were Negritos in China from the Qin period. No one is going to argue with that. However, this site does not support Afrocentric claims that the Xia and Shang were Africans.
T dot O in 2k3 Monday, August 05, 2002 at 18:35:56 (PDT)

To, WISEMAN;

Funny that you mentiond the traveller! Hahaha, so when did you start posting and in which forums? And like i said, try to keep on to discussion.

Who cares, ok if i was crazy i don't think i'll be on the net for one. Mental institutes usually tie people up and put them in rooms with nothing (movies). If i was in a hospital if i was crazy (some illness) then i wouldn't have access to internet. If i was a home by now i should be dead as in statistics people with illnesses as the traveller describes don't have moral capabilities thus killing myself wouldn't be so hard. Here try proving that those posts were by me first before you jump to conclusions, it become a habit. First of all ask the admin if it shares the same IP (of couse i would say he wouldn't tell you the IP, but he'll tell you if it's the same).

Here's two possibilies:

1. A friend of mine is messing with me! I post most of these in school (may 22 would be a school day). Who knows if anyone saw me on.

2. Someone i totally don't know is messing with my account just for the hell of it (seen it happen before to other people also).

Let's just give another possibily.

My cousin who goes on once in a while, you know how sometimes you press vote and then you press back and the stuff is still there? He might erase the message and then leave the signature. NO ONE KNOWS.

There are so many other possibilities either then i'm crazy.
Hafti Monday, August 05, 2002 at 14:12:10 (PDT)

To, Chinese knows Viet identity;

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/asb_china/china_maps/qin_unification.html

From that map of Qin unification of china, there was no inclusion of the north vietnamese territory. It was conquered later on by Chao To (the guy who established SE China as independent after the turmoil of the Qin) independently from china. Later on the Han dynasty conquered Nam Viet.

"South Vietnam, on the other hand, was mostly part of the Cambodian territory (called Kampuchea)."

You forgot about the Champa empire who was 10x stronger then the cambodian empire at one time. MOST of central and south vietnam came from the Champa, the cambodians lost a bit of land but just the VERY VERY south. Yet the cambodians always claim they were the same as the Champa (FUNNY!), yet it is recorded by both sides wars against eachother to gain eachothers territory (same my ass, if they were the same it would have been called a CIVIL war).

"In the second millenium it was at various times separated from the mainland and the central government in China was not able to regain control over it due to the difficult mountainous terrain and the tropical forests of the territory."

The winning battle was by sea. China at those times had more troops situated in Vietnam then most or all of the uprisings. Those troops stayed there for years, making them used to the terrain just like any commoner was. Plus it wouldn't have been too hard to destroy an army of peasants wouldn't it? Underfunded peasants versus a welly armed chinese army. Not to mentioned being outnumbered by chinese troops. I consider the thing that was hard to crush was the vietnamese populations HEART, even after 1000 years of rule they retained most of their language, the same language that some historians say that was sometimes banned and most times restricted. They retained their identity, the chinese during the Ming dynasty (took over vietnam for a while and then lost it again after about twenty years) even castrating boys, raping women and killing all the men they met (except for ones they can use of course).

"The reason is that during the times when Vietnam was separated from China, it still retained its cultural identity with China, and used the same ideographic Han characters in writing until late Nineteenth Century, when France came to colonize the area called Indochina, which included Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam."

We used the han characters due to the fact we didn't have a chance to develope our own before the chinese introduced theirs. No one denies china's countless cultural influence, only saying that most of this influence was most to always forced.

"In other words, China had her 'Vietnam War' long before the U.S."

Within two thousand years china and vietnam had a total of 20 wars, the vietnamese today in Vietnam only consider the USA's Vietnam war as just another war into the collection of Vietnam wars. Actually in vietnam it's called the American war (true).
Hafti Monday, August 05, 2002 at 14:03:08 (PDT)

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