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FYI: Chu Van An (noted vietnamese scholar) is of Han descent.

The truth is chinese migrae to VN and after generations they feel viet instead of thinking themselves as chinese.No wonder Vietnamese and chinese have been mixing during 1000 years of occupation. That is not to say majority of viets have chinese blood, there are a lot of 'pure' viets(i've seen a lot of viets who look neither malay nor chinese), but to deny the chinese descent is plain wrong.
FYI Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 11:37:00 (PDT)

Do caucasoids have sinodont or sundadonts teethtype? or none at all?
k Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 11:15:13 (PDT)

The vietnamese of ethnic Thai are very light-skinned as well(w/ pink color). They belong in the 100 Yueh tribes. A lot of girls from southern chinese provinces like Suzhou, hangzhou have such light skin. i Don't believe the majority of the yuehs are negriots. speaking of negritos, they were reputed to inhabit in Norhthern china as welll, not only in the South.
k Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 10:40:38 (PDT)

I've just got back from China and i noticed quite a few chinese (the northern chinese as well) have the second toe as the longest one in their foot. i don't think the long second toe is uniquely a vietnamese attribute.being to shanghai the first time, i've seen so many SHanghainese who have light-skin w/ pink color. they're actually much lighter than beijinger, although being smaller, rounder-faced, shorter nosed.
Some vietnamese women are told to look like shanghainese or suzhou people. and quite a few northern viets i know look like they have malay blood or chinese-malay admixture.
k Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 10:02:55 (PDT)

i just prefer corea
vtbcx5 Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 08:46:39 (PDT)

Hafti, Sinodonty and Sundadonty don't mean shzit...Most southern Chinese have Sundadonty, just like the Vietnamese.
And Sinodonty doesn't even mean that all people of North China or even Korea have Sinodonty.
When a scientist mentions Sundadonty or Sinodonty he means that 60% of Beijingers have Sinodonty and 80% of Jakartans have Sundadonty. What does that mean? Nothing. If teeth were the determinate of race, then a pretty strange picture would develope. Your neighbor would be a different race (or more precisely sub-race) and someone 2 thousand miles away, who looks very different from you, is your "people".
All of the genetic information is really a bunch of usually worthless numbers that can be interpreted by 10 scientists in 10 different ways. They don't even come up with the same information that is to be interpreted to begin with. It is like judging an ice skating competition.
The fact is, at the end of the day, the Vietnamese look different from southern Chinese on average, but look more like Chinese than they look like Indonesians or even Cambodians. The Chinese look similar to Koreans on one side and to Vietnamese on the other, but not exactly the same. The Vietnamese are in-between Thai and Lao on one side and Chinese on the other...and so on and so on....it really is that simple....
You can't simply mutate into looking like a Swede nothern European when you're an African. An African population might develope lighter skin over time in a nothern climate but they will never look like their neighbors. You have to understand that racial characteristics are determined by a unfathomable number of genes, and not just one ot two. Your whole argument is that the native Vietnamese population mutated into loking more Chinese. If that was true, then Nothern Asians and Europeans, living in cold environments, would mutate into looking the same. While they both have light skin, it is obvious that it is not true.
And the thing about how Andamese and Africans gradually developed into looking the same is kinda a off. The original human population must have been black and curly-haired. The two populations simple retained the original characteristics because their environments and way of life remained basically the same. And the Papuans and Aboriginals and Veddiods, while sharing similar characteristics, do not look the same to each other or to Africans at all. You just can't evolve into looking the same. The chances of that actually happening is astronomical.
Basically my point is this. You are flat wrong about Vietnamese and Chinese being of two different sub-races of Asian, only evolving to look the same. The fact is there has been continous interbreeding of populations and genetic drift in Asia as is everywhere.
passerby Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 08:15:15 (PDT)

To, The Traveller and his friends;

Here's an interesting site:
http://www.cosmiverse.com/science05140103.html

It says that the Y chromosome studies did by Penn State proves/supports the theory that E Asians came from africa long ago.

The study included 163 population samples which came from populations in Central Asia, Central Siberia, Okhotsk/Amur, Kamchatka/Chukotka, Northern East Asia, Northern Han Chinese, Southern Han Chinese, Taiwanese Aborigines, Southeast Asia, Indonesia/Malaysia, Poly/Micronesia and Northeast India. A total of 12,127 people were selected for the test.

If E Asians came from darker people but evolved LONG ago to the point of little archaelogical evidence of the evolution due to the fact that even though some evolved others stayed the same, thus some of the more noticeable discription of darker neighbors, then why is it so hard that the early mongoloids who evolved so long ago didn't reach SE Asia before chinese control? Or even if some of the 100 Yueh were dark, why is it so hard to think that some of them weren't mongoloid and can't be our ancestors?

The question i was asking was, "How did we get to where we are?", not "Where were we?". Because from what i know, even if the facts are that asians came from africa, everyone knows that how we got to how we are today and the evolutionary steps we took are EXTREMELY different, hence the skin color, height, and other differences like preference for logical understading.
Hafti Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 19:46:11 (PDT)

An Nam Guy;

Your light? Like i said i'll be extremely interested on a DNA test on the muong and northern viets (a good thorough test) due to the fact, that the muong and viets are related, yet the muong have very little outside influence (except from trades).

From what people say, i would say that modern viets would be at the center, while the han and muong would be at opposite sides. Modern viets would be related to both, but both would not be related to eachother. The reason why i am convinced that the muong are atleast related to modern viets is due to our looks. Not just skin, but bone structure, lean body, dark hair, and ancient rituals. The only thing i ever hear a chinese bringing up on why the viets are related is because of the skin color. But i find viets to be leaner (compact, kind of the bruce lee way, but in no way weaker physically) which i see is a familiar trait with the muong. I see light skin amongst the muong, which most viets in the north have. And i see the toe thing where the second is longer then the first, it is actually very common in the north, especially in haiphong, quang ngai and hanoi (the three cities i visit the most when in vietnam, don't know if it's common in Saigon). Also burial and some marriage customs (the little things), and also language. The muong are said to have stayed up in the mountains since chinese rule, so relatively small intervention. And yet they're light, and have customs totally different then the han. Why? Can you explain this to me?

I would say that they are either descendents to the dong son, but have evolved to what they are, to a lighter complexion, or they came from a tribe from the 100 yueh, but of the lighter variety.

If that can be concluded for them through history so far, what's so hard for most viets to have a base of viet ancestry? No one says that we have atleast some, but then if the chinese had such growth as the traveller spoke of, the viets would have been outnumbered by 1100% rendering the language undesirable for business and even less need for the language. But for some reason, why did these han adopt the vietnamese language and staged viet loyalty over the chinese? If that can be explained logically then sure. But i don't think people were greedy, trade with the other chinese provinces would have been WAY more profitable then to fight and render your economy slow to establish self and ritous control.
Hafti Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 18:04:38 (PDT)

To, An Nam Guy;

Here's a thought about the last name thing. The chromosome 7 is attributed to the father, which by those days the last name was past down that way from father to son. Close to 100% of hans have chromosome 7. Then why when people took 11 viets and only found a few of them to have chromosome 7? We share common last name (to what the traveller is saying), then why don't we share a common father?

Think of it like this, from china doesn't mean your chinese also. No one denies that we came from SE China, but at one time, at that time it wasn't china, but the kingdom of the viets. And the Ruan kingdom of which the Nguyen last name came from was around during the Shang, once again a piece of land of which most of it's descendents are today viets. At that time there was no china, thus no chinese, so how can our ancestors be chinese? Todays chinese may share that common ancestor to 100%, but remember that we have equal call to call it vietnamese due to the fact that all of the descendents today don't recognize themselves under the nationality of chinese.

Being light skinned doesn't always mean your from the chinese, because you could have came from a mongoloid before the chinese existed.

And being the same color doesn't always mean your the same. Scientists find little similarities between the Andamese (the purest negritos found due to isolation) and the African Pygmies except for looks. In genetics very little proof is presented that there is many similarities.

There was that link i gave that was on the sole discussion or research on the Andamese by some doctor in america. It's the one attached to the one about negritos and vietnam.

To, the traveller;

The Nguyen thing you didn't appologize. All you said was that when you tried to find the character you looked up Yuen istead of Ruan to find the same character for Nguyen. BUT that was what was so funny, they are all the same name, and if you looked up Yuen it should have output the same character. That was the funny part. No one pointed it out at that time because we already went to another idea.
Hafti Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 13:26:03 (PDT)

hehehe editor, okay.

but these guys tend to post lots of ignorant stuff. i spose its only to themselves wherein they perpetuate ignorance eh?

yaar advisory...these guys need lot of advisory.
hope u can provide it, thanx.

on a seperate matter entirely...i seem to be lost....please direct me to where fierce dravidian, indian gal, bringittogether may be posting on this site....

hehehe sorry for the inconvienance. as a matter of fact i am glad that u have such a tight control over matters...
but one question to the whole board...why do u circle around the same topic repeating things like a parrot time and time again?
move the focus of the discussion from time to time....

for instance what are the things that you have in common? where is the confluence in yer cultures? how does culture and identity rely on ones own perceptions and that of outsiders?

move the discussion forwards guys. thanks editor.

caio.
yayati Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 13:13:06 (PDT)

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