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i think viets are an admixture of chinese, 'pure' vietnamese, and malay. you can come across a lot of vietnamese who have chinese eyes coupled w/ a malay cheekbone or nose. Malay face tend to be more bony.culturally vietnam is much more chinese w/ little malay influence. but in terms of racial component, it is so obvious that vietnamese face have malay flavor to a certain extent. there are those who look indistinguishable from other east asians and others who look like malay/filippino.
k Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 09:09:05 (PDT)

FYI: in my previous post i mention Thai. They're actually Tai and not related to Thai people in Thailand. just a matter of coincidence. their namese are so similar.

passerby: Hmong are not related to khmer. there is a theory they are close to Hungarians based on striking similarities when it comes to clothes, ancient custum. however i'm not very convinced of this theory. i think they are related to sino-tibetan.

VNinterest: wat sites confirm the yueh as a whole are melanesoid or malay-polynesian?
k Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 08:58:14 (PDT)

filipinos are affecting asian statistics, they are the least intelligent of the "asians", i myself dont even consider them part of the asian group, but a group to themselves. they are just like the blacks and hispanics and all want to be rappers.
asian sensation Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 08:53:48 (PDT)

to -Mindkandy-

Are Asians smarter than blacks and hispanics? I think it all comes down to one thing: WORK ETHIC. Asians have different values. It's not that asians are richer than blacks and hispanics, this is a fact, we aren't many are just as poor as the rest. Many hispanics and blacks of today, all they want to do is rap and be in the music industry and make the big dollars. they dont want to go to college and get the american corporate dollars. its a shame.
sergio Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 08:51:06 (PDT)

I thought I would bring this article up because it seemed like an interesting topic and brings up a notion that many people believe, that is...

Are Asians Smarter than whites, blacks, hispanics, etc?

Also do many Asians believe in this notion themselves thus influencing whoM they wish to have children with interracially?

In this ARTICLE it mentions one Chinese lady expressing a fear in her daughter marrying outside of her ethnic background because she believes that the supposed genetic trait of a higher IQ will be diluted within the grandson.

Could some Asians feel this way in their preferences for dating whites over blacks and hispanics? Could some think, "no way am I going to lower the IQ of my future generations by marrying outside of those who tend to have lower IQs"

Also do you believe there is any validity to the stereotype, "Asians are smarter" or is it mainly cultural habits, values and such?

What brings one culture to value certain traits over others in the first place?
Any thoughts?
-Mindkandy- Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 08:47:58 (PDT)

I have read the DNA studies on Korean males being close to paternal DNA patterns found among the Han Chinese. I would not be surprised.

I heard from my friend that you could tell that youre a close descendant of the Han Chinese by looking at your forearms. To test to see if you are, you have to first relax your arms, then with one arm, bend it at an angle where your upper arm and forearm create a 90 degree angle. If you see a "crease" or some sort of line on your forearm close to where the forearm meets the upper arm (not the elbows, the other side), and on both forearms (left and right), then that shows that youre a close descendant of the Han Chinese. I dont know if this holds true or not. Have you guys ever heard of this?? I've checked myself, and I don't have any (btw I am Korean, but supposedly I have a tiny bit of Chinese in me from my father's side)... However my brother and mother ("pure" Korean) do. A lot of my Chinese friends (or just the few I have tested) do have it, except for one of my Chinese friends. So is this whole "test" nonsense, or does it really indicate that you are of Han Chinese descent? Just curious, y'all...

I think many of Koreans as well as Japanese, Vietnamese and other Asians should try out this test, as it is known that Han Chinese settled throughout all of Asia.
Is there Han Chinese in me? Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 23:21:05 (PDT)

It is interesting reading all this stuff on tooth shapes. I am southern Chinese (Cantonese-Toisan to be exact) and I have what you call the "Sinadonty" (shovel incisors) type of teeth.

I also have dry ear wax. Most people in my family do, but my uncle (maternal) does not. He has an oily type, and he is a Cantonese from Zhongsan (from where Dr. Sun Yat-sen hails from). Is dry ear wax a good indicator of Han Chinese origins?
Nathan Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 23:18:11 (PDT)

To, What is the percentage of Yueh in China?;

I think all the Yuehs who stayed in china by now became chinese. Even if they do have Yueh blood they'll say their han. So it's hard to say. The bulk of the ancient Yuehs moved south to Vietnam... While whoever stayed behind became minority groups...
Hafti Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 12:40:05 (PDT)

To, An Nam Guy;

"Since you ask, I should respond accordingly. Please correct me if I am wrong, I thought you said that your Dad is mixed Viet and Muong in your previous post? Your Dad should know more than me about the Muong (Hmong) people."

My dad is half Muong, not Hmong. He basically knows nothing about the Hmong, he only saw a few of them before in Vietnam and that's it. Muong territory is notorious for the fact that there is usually no other ethnic groups around their territory for miles. Only trading happens.
Hafti Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 12:10:32 (PDT)

To, passerby;

Here's what i've been saying...

People keep on saying that vietnamese people and the chinese must be DIRECTLY related 100% (with no other influence either then the han) due the the common last names... Someone said that ALL of the vietnamese last names can be translated into chinese then traced to a chinese ancestor...

Here's what i was saying... The y chromosome 7 is basically in over 90% of chinas people. It's a gene past from father to son. Thus if you have a TRUE chinese last name you should also have this chromosome because if your ancestors are these chinese you would carry this gene. There were 11 people tested for that genetics test (it's in one of the travellers posts), and about 40-60% had chromosome 7 from the specimen. If we truly share the same father at one point (all of us do to last name), then whoever has the names like Tran, Ngo, and such should all share similar genes due to father (last names has always been past down from father to son), but in this case it was not.

I brought up the sinodonty thing, because it's a type of teeth that developed about 16 thousand years ago in upper chinese/lower mongolia. These population were originally sundadonts, of which came from SE Asia. MOST of the chinese have sinodonty. Which is basically a northern/east asian trait. Why isn't it as dominant in Vietnam, if we are truly descendents to the han (which are descendents to the people who have sinodonty) we should have it too. (The statistics are in that book J Lee gave to me, i repost it towards VNinterest, you can check it out).

The toes thing is also partly genetics. Even though SOME might have these toes in other areas, the thing is that most don't. It shows variation, and the possibilities of other types of variation. YOUR features are due to genetics, even your toes. From what i know, the toe i described isn't very common in china, or atleast not as common as whatever is normal in china.

Muong and Hmong have NO COMMON history. They're not the same. Having 'uong' at the end doesn't mean your the same. Muong are indigenous to Vietnam.
Hafti Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 09:25:52 (PDT)

South east Asians are the ancestors of north east Asians. Sheesh, that's why you see the gradients as you head northwards, from a more southern phenotype to one that is more northern. And it's a relatively smooth transition, with only minor discontinuities that can be attributed to historical migrations.

In the end, we're all Asians...
chinatown Friday, August 09, 2002 at 22:51:09 (PDT)

I've seen white who have space in between their first and second toes .
k Friday, August 09, 2002 at 21:27:53 (PDT)

An Nam guy:

depends on each tribal group.The Bana or Ede are by no means related to chinese. however, i believe the Hmong, Muong, Thai, Laha are very closely related to Sinodonts people.
k Friday, August 09, 2002 at 20:34:04 (PDT)

filipinos are asian, but mixed and so they're mixtures from other peoples makes the women more attractive,and they are more pleasant than other asians,they are less race oriented the other asians have a racial problem
google todawheelsfallor Friday, August 09, 2002 at 19:24:49 (PDT)

filipinos are asian ,but mixed and so they're mixtures from other peoples makes the women more attractive,and they are more pleasant than other asians,they are less race oriented the other asians have a racial problem
google todawheelsfallor Friday, August 09, 2002 at 19:23:48 (PDT)

Show us some pictures of Vietnamese and their white face as described.
Mickey Friday, August 09, 2002 at 18:47:32 (PDT)

To, An Nam Guy;

"Regarding Muong (Vietnamese) or Hmong (English) people."

In my other posts i described why that passage was wrong. Hmong in vietnamese is meo. Muong is muong. We are related. The Muong were once considered advanced for their era in agriculture. They for one didn't really seem to change much along the years (over 2000 years due to their attempts on isolation, even though they do trade with the thai minority, their territory is known to have no other ethnic group rather then muong due to their isolation. They don't want interaction with others.), and if you put in that factor, their advancement today, farly passes that of any other if they had not advanced at all for over 2000 years.

In stories it is said that long ago, viets did not live in the mountains. The chinese later came in and took over the viet territory, the muong caring less about their land just left all their assets behind to live alone in the mountains. Thus basically having no chinese influence, and just a bit of thai influence due to trade (i think the trade between muong and thai is pretty important to the muong, close to as important as it is with the kinh).
Hafti Friday, August 09, 2002 at 13:52:47 (PDT)

To VNinterest;

Oh, and read the travellers posts too, he has a lot of sites, most of them don't even mention the yueh. But he has some that relies on genetics, that helps proves what i said.
Hafti Friday, August 09, 2002 at 12:00:51 (PDT)

To VNinterest;

"The foremost expert in the Sinodonty and Sundadonty dichotomy is Christy Turner II of Arizona State University. He has written a book called "The Anthropology of Modern Human Teeth: Dental Morphology and Its Variation in Recent Human Populations (Cambridge Studies in Biological and Evolutionary Anthropology) with some pictures showing both types of upper incisors. He has compiled plenty of data from different peoples around the world. Not surprisingly, being an academic book, it ranks 405,242 on the Sales List!
http://www.inetsupermall.com/amazon_online_books.htm According to the book, 66% of modern Japanese are Sinodonts whereas 35% of modern Southeast Asians are Sinodonts. For Chinese and Mongolians, it is 72%. A good technical article is John W. Hsu's work. http://www.ada.org.au/media/documents/Products_Publications/Journal%20Archives/1999%20Archive/March/Hsu%20%2040.pdf

If your are a Sinodont, try feeling the back of your upper incisors near the gum line with your finger; that is where the shovel groove curvature is most pronounced. To see how Sundadonty looks like, look or feel the back of your lower incisors. Even amongst Sinodonts, the lower incisors tend not to have shoveling and they resemble Sundadonty."

This was from J Lee to me on hursday, August 01, 2002 at 23:38:50 (PDT).

I went to the library and looked at the numbers that it had. It was brief, but Vietnam was like 35-40, cambodia was 32-40, and laos a bit higher then both. Go pick up the book.

"Most sites that I ran into stated that the Yueh races are negrito type (Melanesian, Autranesian, Malay-polynesian and Dravidian), do any of you have a link that points that the Yueh are light-skined? Are they a Mongoloid race?"

It was recorded in a few chinese records that there were 100 YUEH tribes. ALL of these tribes were different and combined forces to fight the chinese (because they were all village types). Each of them distinct yet similar in the way that they joined. If you describe them all as just Yueh then your ignorant in the way that your ignoring that fact that there was 100 different tribes.

And i bet that you can't find one source that says that ALL of the yueh tribes were negrito. Because VERY little is known about the Yueh AT ALL. Don't rely too strongly on afrocentric sites, because like i said, it contradicts history just by itself. They seem to know everything that the chinese themselves (who did all the escavating in their own soil) doesn't know archaelogically or historically. They claimed a black wrote I Ching, and chinese scholars have NO IDEA when it was written, nevertheless if it was a negrito group who did it.

Try going back to read all my post, because all of my sites are there. If you have a question, i would bet that it already has been asked.
Hafti Friday, August 09, 2002 at 12:00:12 (PDT)

To, An Nam Guy;

Actually the Hmong and Muong are two different groups. It's rediculous that you think they're the same.

The muong are considered indeginous to vietnam, the hmong weren't. The vietnamese call the hmong by the name meo (or whatever sounds like cat in vietnamese).

Your knowledge lacks everyday. The only thing i agree with that post is yes we are more related to the chinese then we are the hmong, but equally or more related to the muong.

The hmong are also known as Hmung, Hmu, Miao, Meo.

Here learn more about the muong before you classify them as the same. The story of Hung Vuong was originally a Muong story (it either got popular so we went to the villages to hear of it or passed on to us due to common ancestry).

To, passerby;

Nope the muong aren't hmong. The hmong migrated in, while the muong are considered indeginous or even native tot he region of northern vietnam.

http://vietnamtourism.com/e_pages/vietnam/54dantoc/fr_54dantoc.htm

Go there and you'll see a description of all 54 of vietnams minority ethnic group and also the majority ethnic group. The muong and hmong are separate. There's basically no muong anywhere else in the world (originally before the vietnam war).

The muong are related to the viets, even labelled under the same language (viet-muong) and the same branch of ethnic. The muong are only numerous in vietnam, so if your northern chinese i wouldn't expect you to know ANYTHING about them, AT ALL.

Linguistically the muong and viets are related to the khmer while the kinh side holds a lot of chinese characteristics.

The reason why i brought up the toes and teeth thing is because both of these are given by genes. Sinodonty is more northern chinese, anyone being a descendent from the north (from 16 thousand years ago) would have it. Also the toes thing is more wide spread amongst the population. Even if you have it i doubt that A LOT or the majority would have it. And the Y chromosome is passed from father to child. ALL viets (according to the traveller) share with us chinese names, but when doing that test it was only found that 40-60% had the same chromosome shared amongst the chinese (who have something like 95%). I brought that up to make people stop using that rediculous back-up because it's not true. Because if it was then all those Tran family boy should have had the same Y Chromosomes as their chinese 'brothers' did. BUT NO, it didn't turn out that way.

It's hard to find those sites again, i posted like A LOT of sites in a row, so go find them, if you want to be educated then find them, they shouldn't be more then 2-3 weeks ago, which shouldn't even be 30 clicks on the earlier comments button.

TO PEOPLE WHO KNOWS NOTHING OF THE MUONG (don't worry even some viets have no idea about vietnams largest minority group next to the kinh, for example An Nam Guy):

http://www.nhandan.org.vn/english/identity/20020720.html

http://www.hawaii.edu/cseas/pubs/vietnam/vietnam.html (this has a few lines talking about them still using the dongs on drums)

http://vietnamtourism.com/e_pages/vietnam/54dantoc/fr_54dantoc.htm

http://www.hoabinh.gov.vn/main_vanhoamuong_eng.html

The thing that's annoying is i think i posted these same sites over 5 times already, and An Nam Guy, who's been in this debate long enough, should have known/read it. (This is where i miss the traveller, atleast he would know this stuff)
Hafti Friday, August 09, 2002 at 11:49:45 (PDT)

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