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"Asian Bubba,

Right on bro. I"m Korean, and I totally consider Filipinos Asian. But I have met some Filipino/a s who told me that they werent Asian. Ah.... I guess there are self haters in every nationality. Hehe.."

I see Filipinos as Asians. I don't, however, see East Indians as Asians. They are either Middle Eastern or Africans. But, then when I see so many African Americans here in the U.S. who can pass for white, I am of the tendency to read those from India as a variation on the black race.
East Indians are Africans, Not Asians Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 08:57:01 (PDT)

"Filipinas have always been loved by guys of all races."

From a female's perspective, I don't believe that's true at all. I've noticed men either love them or hate them, and I think there's more men who dislike them than love them. I don't believe it's due to physical trait but their personalities. A lot of guys complain about their backstabbing, being sluts, or trying to be ghetto, Hawaiian or white.

I'm sorry, but I'd have to agree w/them. I live in So. Cali, so I know quite a few Filipinos, and there's a reason why I don't have any Filipino friends. I think the reasons are obvious. I do have one filipino friend, but she's from Saudi Arabia, and she doesn't socialize w/Filipinos either.
Elaine Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 05:30:47 (PDT)

You're one arrogant racist rude divisionist Korean Dude.
what's your problem Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 01:30:53 (PDT)

Commentary (KM),

>>>NO wonder Koreans and some Chinese hate each other.<<<

Have you seen how the Beijing police rough up the North Korean illegal migrants. Heck, did you even see on TV how that Chinese policeman slugged out the South Korean diplomat in that scuffle they had?

Almost 60% of the police in Korean populated areas (Yanban in Jilin province for example) are comprised of northern Han. Koreans who are local and Korean tourists from overseas get afraid at the sight of them in the streets. They rarely smile each other.

That is how close the northern Han Chinese are with Koreans.
just another KM Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 00:15:20 (PDT)

Here's another link for you Hafti, yes it's the same person who believe that Vietnamese should belong to the Sino-tibetan language instead of Mon-khmer:

http://vny2k.net/SiniticVietnamese.htm
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 23:47:41 (PDT)

Classical Mongoloid mod and Korean's fit it? come on... I am not korean but koreans sure are beautiful and handsome, especially the korean singers and actors!!
Classical Mongoloid is recessive like blondism Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 23:28:50 (PDT)

Hafti,

Ooh, look! There is an ongoing research that Vietnamese language may derive from Sino-tibetan(Han), and that history may have to re-write. Click on: http://vny2k.net/HanNomE.htm

Like i said, using language to prove ethnicity is a weak debate. As for language classification, how well trained are the westerners to classify the Vietnamese language into a subclass of Mon-khmer and Austronesian.

I took Chinese, and my contention is that the Vietnamse language is very close to Chinese.
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 23:07:49 (PDT)

"Also the evidence is that, if the population growth was from immigrations of han, then the local language would have been less important over the years, as the han population would be more important for business. But then how at the end did the vietnamese, vietnamized the chinese who came in? Because of greater influence, and usually that comes with larger population."

Is the old Chinese language the same as the new Chinese language? Is Mandarin older than Cantonese or Vietnamese Han language? Chinese has more than 50 dialects; not too long ago, about more 100 years ago, the Chinese from different provinces cannot communicate with each other. Writing is the only communicated solution in China, Vietnam at the time wasn't any difference to other Chinese's provinces. There's no such thing as pure Vietnamese language, the modern Vietnamese language is composed of Mon-khmer, Austronesian, and Sino-tibetan language. Sino-Tibetan language was the foundation of Chinese languages or dialects in many provinces.

China had underwent several changes in the past millenia. It was conquered by the Mongol and Manchu people at one point, there were changes in its structure too, including languages. Different dynasties may speak different dialects, although the writing remained the same everywhere. But that doesn't prove that every dynasty in China spoke the same dialect. This is one major point to consider.

Nearly 500 years ago, old English wasn't the same as today's English. Just look at Europe for an instance, Latin was first introduced to nearly every European region in the past; yet, people in France spoke different from the British, Spanish, Portugal, and so on... Even today, US english has some differences from the British. Language changes over the time... This is nothing new to historian.

Nowadays, communicate technology brings a longer term of bond between countries, and language would stay at the equal pace or same to the modern man everywhere...that wasn't the case in the old days.

In conclusion, using language to prove your theory is a weak arguement.
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 21:22:44 (PDT)

Daffy,

"Did you even think of that? Plus the site was saying 3/4 of a million people in the region, not 3/4 of a million han in the region. DON'T try to twist the words of the site to support an already dead idea. BUT the last sentence was true. The cultural influence from china is undeniable, because it was enforced by law and brutality, we all know that. But even then it was resisted, hence we're not fully sinicized, but still stood true to our ancestry or our original loyalty."

Didn't you read the introduction? Are you blind or illiteracy? This website is about the Han migration.

First paragraph:

"Introductory summary
At the end of the second century AD, all southern China was formally under the authority of the imperial government of Han. The territory was divided into three provinces, with a substructure of commanderies and counties. One function of the present chapter is to present a geography of the southern provinces, with indication of local topography, communications routes and the products of the region.
For the future, however, the important development of the Han period was the number of Chinese subjects who migrated into the lands of the south, and established themselves within those territories. As they did so, they placed increasing pressure on the non-Chinese people who had formerly inhabited the region, and brought almost endemic disturbance to the region. The physical occupation of the ground, moreover, was accompanied by a cultural aggression, generally supported by official patronage, which integrated the territory still more firmly into the Chinese cultural sphere.

The pioneer immigrants, however, had not normally come to the south in order to expand the political and administrative control of the central imperial government based in the north; on the contrary, they were often seeking to escape it, and the unit upon which they based their fortunes was the family, the extended clan, or a local system of mutual defence. By the end of the second century AD, as the authority of the central government was weakened through political conflict and turmoil in the north, the new settlers in the south maintained no particular sense of allegiance to the unified empire.

Moreover, whereas in earlier times the territory of the south had been easily and naturally held under the control of whichever power could dominate the north, the increase in population south of the Yangzi now meant there was the possibility of establishing a separate state, Chinese by culture and tradition, but politically independent from the lands of the Yellow River. Upon this demographic foundation the generals of the south would build their fortunes."

The second paragraph talked about "Han and the South". Nothing mentioned about your "Viet", as a population registered into this migration.

It also mentioned that the Han soldiers turned to mutiny to fight against their mother land, here's a quote: "Moreover, when troops were raised in Jiaozhi to oppose the rebels, these men in turn broke out in mutiny, and the whole imperial position in the region was threatened. "

Link: http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/south_china.html

And while you at it, could you interpret what this sentence is all about in this following website, (http://www.bvom.com/resource/vn_history.asp?pContent=Ancient_Time)?

"After the collapsing of Trung Vuong, the Han rejected the system of Lac Hau, Lac Tuong and reinforced the administration with Hans. They forced Viet people to follow Han laws, Han way of living and immigrated vast numbers of Han people into Viet country, taught Han language in an attempt of Sinicization of Viet."

Does that tell you that there were a large Han population immigrated to Vietnam at the time? For all I know, those Han's could be the modern Vietnamese's ancestor, combinig with others.

Don't twist someone writing when it isn't yours. Just read it, appreciate it, question it, but don't twist it...
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 20:48:36 (PDT)

"That is the only passage in your site that even mentions anything about a population 3/4 of a million. It mentions nothing of 3/4 of a million being of the han population. In the 2 AD there were close to 3/4 of a million people in the area of JiaoZhi, which is present day north vietnam. It talks about registered population, and from my knowledge, being registered doesn't mean your an immigrant. Throughout the entire site it speaks not of any immigrations, only population growth. Population growth usually is due to high birth rate."

This is about the registered Han soldiers in Giao Chi during this period. Please read and don't twist the website. The website is dedicated to the Han migration at that time, it didn't mention anything about the "Viet" population. Geez...
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 20:25:59 (PDT)

Much of the problems that the Philippines have today- poverty, corruption, etc.- can be blame to the Spaniards.
Know our History Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 15:14:31 (PDT)

"Classical Mongoloid is as recessive as blondism":

No, "classical Mongoloid" doesn't exist at all. It's Western racist propaganda against Asian races.

Some racist white scientists made photos of inbred people in the Amur/Sakhalin area and claimed we would all look like that. Nowadays some white freaks claim Asians would be descendants of extraterrestrians because the legend we would all look like "classical Mongoloids" lives on.

One of the most ridiculous racial tests is the ruler test: if someone can touch both cheekbones with a (straight) ruler that individual "is a classical Mongoloid" -complete nonsense! Such people exist in very small numbers only. Such extremely broad and protuding cheekbones are as typical for East Asia as Neandertal forehead is for modern Europe.
rare stuff Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 15:13:44 (PDT)

spaniards have a low opinion about filipinos? LOL. so do japanese and chinese. Everyone has a low opinion on filipinos.
not so mean korean Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 14:44:04 (PDT)

maybe when some filipinos say that they arent asian is because they dont identify with the asian culture, after all it is the philippines and most of their culture is influenced by westerners. maybe its not that they hate themselves? i dont know.
not so mean korean Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 14:40:23 (PDT)

To Chinese,

Chinese always speak as though Koreans are genetically identical to Chinese. That is definitely not the case. Koreans have mixed with Chinese in the past, but mostly with Jurchens, Khitans and other other tribes of Tungusic or Turkic origins. The mixing of blood with Han Chinese is not as much as the Chinese like to claim (i.e., not greater than any normal mixing of genes through wars). Instead of indulging in typical Chinese chauvinism, try reading Korean version of history as well. Han Chinese tried a lot but never, at any point in history, completely subjugated the Korean peninsula. Southeastern Korea, for example, hardly had any contact with Chinese throughout its history. Koreans and Chinese look physically different, and their languages, other than Chinese character derived words, are a world apart. Even though Koreans and Japanese are closer linguistically and ethnically to each other than Koreans are to Chinese, they nevertheless like to be separate and unique. So spare us from your typically Chinese "We are all brothers" arguments. This has nothing to do with how Westerners perceive Asia. The bottom line is Koreans and other Asians are fed up with Chinese people's patronizing attitude. Yes, this may come as a surprise to Chinese, but Koreans and other Asians feel insulted if anyone asks they are Chinese. Go on living in your own "Middle Kingdom" but don't drag the rest of Asia into your melting pot of mutt races.
Tangun Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 14:07:01 (PDT)

Comment to all Filipino / anti-Filipino remarks on this post:

It is a fact that the Philippines has a high literacy rate.. Many of you are wondering as to why it is a third world country despite this fact.. I spent my early childhood there and I offer the following theories:

a) The Philippines is a country of many islands (1,101 to be exact). It also has hundreds of dialects (Tagalog, Ilocano, Visaya, Bicolano, to name a few).. The Philipines is not a homogenous society like China or Japan.. The Filipinos are seperated NOT only by bodies of water, but by dialects as well.. Filipinos are raised to be proud of their provincial heritage as opposed to just being a "Filipino".. For this reason, Filipinos cannot get along, to simply put it.. The country's sub-cultures, for a lack of better terminology, is the same reason why countries such as Afghanistan, Bosnia, and number of African countries have civil wars.. The Philippines is a very wealthy nation in terms of natural resources; however, we will never match the Japanese as long as we cannot work together as one country and one people.

b) The country has a very corrupt government.. enough said.

To the people who think Filipinos in the states are ghettoish:

You guys must be living in southern California.. I know that Los Angeles, where I grew up, many Filipinos - as well as other nationalities - are into gangs.. I admit that some LA Filipinos have done alot to destroy our image..I would urge you to visit other parts of the United States and you will see that mainstream America sees and treats ALL of us as ASIANS.. You will also see that Filipinos living outside Los Angeles are different - they are not ghettoish as many of you claim, and they work just as hard as their Asian brothers and sisters..

Guys, if you bash Filipinos because it makes you feel better then fine.. You will inevitably realize (when you mature enough) that we are all minorities in this country.. You will also realize (hopefully) that people are people no matter what.. Be proud of you you are.. Remember: What you are is a gift from GOD; what you become is a gift to GOD.. Also, you may believe that Koreans, Chinese and Japanese are better than Filipinos.. Maybe it's true.. But it doesn't really matter because it all ultimately comes down to the individual human being.. You focus on statistical data like it is the HOLY BIBLE.. You look at the bell curve and you get excited when you see that Koreans or Chinese families on avarage make more money than Filipino families.. You feel extremely proud when you hear other people say that Koreans or Chinese have a higher IQ than Filipinos..That's all fine and dandy. But realize that the true measure of success is service to GOD, country and mankind.. So if you are a non-Filipino-Asian and you feel that you are superior to me, I respect that, for I will defend to the death your rights as Americans..

So, my fellow Asians, what have you done lately for God and your our great adopted country?

HOAAH!!

Asian Bubba
1st Lieutenant, United States Army
Defender of America's Freedom and Way of Life
Asian Bubba Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 13:47:43 (PDT)

Korean Dude:
No Koreans have other issues like being stuck up, falsely arrogant, snobbish, falsely superior to everyone else.
And making the stupid mistake of thinking that they are smarter than everyone else.
Yea, Koreans are real sheetheads if you ask me. No, Korean"s problems are worse.
non-asian visitor Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 13:44:18 (PDT)

"The preservation of the vietnamese language is proof, or atleast logical proof, that the base population of which they spoke about must have been viet."

possible, but not likely. Look at Mexico, US, Canada, and etc... The languages speaking nowadays in these countries were not the native language. So your language analysis is weak arguement.

Further, what many scientist believed is that the "Vietnamese" language derived from Mon-khmer, Austronesian, and a large percent, at least 70 percent, of Sino-Tibetan(Which is Chinese). BTW, Han language is a Sino-Tibetan.

So your arguement of Language is rather weak. How about if I compare the Vietnamese culture to other, it's closest to Chinese than any neighbor countries.
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 13:07:33 (PDT)

These are my points (for those who want to know my standpoint, i want the traveller to answer this and explain why to me)

Explain this to me.

In the Y Chromosome tests 95% of the chinese who participated had Y Chromosome 7. Indicative that this is the main Y Chromosome of modern chinese. In Vietnam you claim that ALL last names come from already existing chinese last names, thus we share the same ancestors as the chen in china if we are tran in vietnam. Tell me this, the Y Chromosome test was done on 11 saigon/HCM city residents, and only 40% ended up with Y Chromosome 7. The Y Chromosome is pased down from father to son, also last name is done in the same manner. Thus if your a Chen (which is probably dominantly Y Chromosome 7), then all of the people who has a similar last name which is supposedly from the Chen should also have that Y Chromosome due to the father and son relationship along the years.

My observations from this is that, even though last names CAN be translated from vietnamese to chinese, this isn't indicative of it being a passdown from the chinese. Supported by genetics, since if it was a passdown it would have shown the same numbers as the chinese did since of the relationship, but through the research it shows no relationship.

BTW, i'm talking about that test people keep on refering to. If you need the site, just say so and someone here will give it to you. It's the site that the traveller gave.

Also, all of this HUGE han migration non-sense that says that the han outnumbered the ancient viets. From my knowledge, when your the majority population you don't get assimilated into the language and loyalty of the minority. The traveller keeps on suggesting that in ancient Vietnam during the han period, Vietnam's population consisted of 3/4 million han. Which is EXTREMELY HUGE for that period. If that is true, that such a migration took place that filled up such a chunk, surely the viets who should have been outnumbered should have lost ALL loyalty and been assimilated into the chinese. But then why instead did the chinese became vietnamized and took up the vietnamese language and loyalty, which at that time would have been of lesser importance and of the minority variety. The vietnamese didn't totally get sinicized due to the fact that the vietnamese community staged a powerful number in population throughout the years and managed to become the focus of Vietnamese society (even with the influence in culture).

Also sinodonty, which i find to be dominant (if i'm wrong tell me, i'm just saying it's dominant because i got it from my mother and my father has the sundodont type) shows only to be in 30% of the vietnamese people. Sinodonty developed around 16 thousand years ago (according to J Lee) and these people are one of the ancestors to the modern chinese and ancient han. Hence the reason why almost all chinese have sinodonty. If viets are truly from northern china, then sinodonty would have been part of us as a whole, but it doesn't.

Toes is indicative of ground environment. Adaptions like bone structure takes thousands of years to develope. And yet there are many viets who have different feet types to fit the environment around them, hence the indicative of the long years of being there.

Escavations and ancient culture of the region shows a similarity between ancient viets and the modern Muong (not related to the Hmong which happened a while back). This is indicative of a passdown from generation to generation to todays Muong. Showing a bit of evidence of ancestry to the region. And to let you know the Muong are light skinned and look close to exactly like the northern Vietnamese people today. Showing a relationship between the two groups of people. Also language similarities is undeniable, the Muong language is the MOST similar language to modern vietnamese, classified as Viet-Muong in the Vietic tree. This shows evidence of origin in the region.

Any difference between the Hoa Binh SEVENTEEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO, could have been adapted/changed to what is today. Sinodonty a common chinese charateristic evolved only 16 thousand years ago. Within SEVENTEEN THOUSAND YEARS any types of evolution/adaption can take place.

Also even though modern Vietnamese are very similar to todays southern chinese and taiwanese, this is indicative of only common ancestry to the Yueh tribes of long ago. I don't see similarities between the COMMON people in Korea or N. China (so that's excluding movie stars who don't even make up 0.0001% of the people, remember movie stars are BEAUTIFUL that is why they are famous, if the COMMON people are all like them then they wouldn't be in the business because they are just normal, so don't give me BS on how this girl in this video is beautiful). I find that Vietnamese people usually have a heart shaped face and bigger eyes, this trait seems to be shared amongst the cantonese speaking people and taiwanese people today.

At one time most of SE China was vietnamese territory; Guangdong, GuangXi, Fukien, Chekien. Similarities are certain.

That is basically all important points i want people to counter. Especially the coward traveller. Gives his point then runs away, what's with that? Can't even support his points against a counter post.
Hafti Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 12:50:17 (PDT)

To, FOOT MAN;

I bet you never studied biology in high school. It talks about the human body and some inherited features. If you took biology, you would know that features like toes aren't indications of any mental diseases. It is the way it is because your ancestors had a need for it to be that way. For example, more spread out feet would be better suited for climbing mountains, and running barefeet. Less space means you have a lesser range or movement, and that some tasks may be harder.

Isn't it just that simple? Adaption and Evolution are key points in High School Biology, even though you only take a few weeks to learn all the terms, they still give examples, and feet is an example given in the textbook.

It seems that you have a fetish to even attempt to understand simple supersitions or rumors. I heard that if you have thick eyebrows then your vulnerable to gayness. Is that true? NO.

What are you? An old women who believes every rumor? Pathetic.
Hafti Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 12:12:26 (PDT)

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