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to Hafti,

'It seems that you have a fetish to even attempt to understand simple supersitions or rumors. I heard that if you have thick eyebrows then your vulnerable to gayness. Is that true? '
Your sexual preferences are not an issue and needn't be mentioned.

I refer you to the New England Journal Of Medicine for my sources. What are your's ? Superstition and ignorance.
Foot Man Friday, August 16, 2002 at 03:44:19 (PDT)

Asian Bubba:

What if we don't believe in God? Here you are spreading the Christianity/Catholicism your country was forced upon by the Spaniards. What about the original Islamic faith of the Phillipines? Or even the folk religions of the natives?

Now, I'm not denying the existence of a God, nor do I acknowledge it. You may not agree with me, but no matter what everyone may believe, there is indeed one absolute truth that we will all find out sooner or later (hopefully later). One group may be right, and all others wrong, or it could be that everyone is wrong.

"You will also see that Filipinos living outside Los Angeles are different - they are not ghettoish as many of you claim, and they work just as hard as their Asian brothers and sisters.."

Well, up here in Norcal and Seattle, I see a lot of those bald headed Filipino thugs. It's died down quite a bit in recent years though. However, they haven't really disappeared. What used to be called gangs are now disguised as racer and biker crews.

"HOAAH!!

Asian Bubba
1st Lieutenant, United States Army
Defender of America's Freedom and Way of Life "

Okay, so you are an Army Ranger? Well, as shown in the movie, Black Hawk Down, how is barging into another country in civil war "defending America's freedom and way of life?" That's why America has a bad rep for just sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. Of course, there are some wars that just need to be fought, but more times than not, they just end up causing more trouble.
TSJ Eric@KristinKreuk.net Friday, August 16, 2002 at 01:28:08 (PDT)

"I feel sorry for Filipino guys. It's true you know... I'm glad the problem isnt as bad with Koreans."

Not necessarily. Filipino dudes are some of the smoothest, most pimpin'-est guys I know. Fools can straight spit! They don't discriminate. All nationalities are fair game, which is how it should be. =)
TSJ Eric@KristinKreuk.net Friday, August 16, 2002 at 01:15:14 (PDT)

To, The TraveLLer;

And yes i know that language changes through time. If even you and i know that, i would speculate that a trained scientist in the field of classification who trained for YEARS and has been on the job for YEARS know that also. I'm sure they had considered ALL of the facts brought up by your site.

I am sure that there is MORE support for the Sino-Tibetan and also the Mon-Khmer side then your post can provide. Hence all i can only quote what researchers who has been on the job for years, and probably decades, concluded with a MUCH MORE complete set of data.

French, Italian, and Romanian all came from Latin, and is classified under the languages of Romance (i was always bothered by that, it makes it seems that only those languages are attractive and that every other language is annoying, which is annoying!).

The vietnamese language has been concluded to be Mon-Khmer but with many outside influence, which includes that of the chinese. Data once supported that vietnamese was under Sino-Tibetan classification, i think that there was more evidence which was presented to tip the scale towards Mon-Khmer.

So before you yourself can become a scientist and read all the data, you can only conclude through what you read. And what you read can be biased, only data can't be biased (raw data). So like i said, you can classify the vietnamese language under whatever you want, the truth is that there is evidence for the reason for where it is classified today.

And please read your own threads more carefully. It happened too many times already. That site of yours describes population growth, not just migrations. And it is clear from what Sima Quan said that the census included non-han. From that it you know that they counted all the people in the area (as Sima Quan said, there were more non-han yue in the area. Which tells us he counted the non-han yue also. In one of your post you said where does it mention my viets, well yue/yueh is another word for viet). Considering that Sima Quan was the guy responsible for the census we are talking about should i trust him more (the experienced person who did it for himself) or someone like you (who's carelessly assuming things, like the registered people were ONLY han, when infact Sima Quan said himself that he counted yueh's).
Hafti Friday, August 16, 2002 at 00:14:06 (PDT)

Commentary (KM),

"NO wonder Koreans and some Chinese hate each other."

China and Taiwan had issues with each other, but their gunboats and missiles did not kill and slaughter one another as both Koreas are now doing.

You see we Chinese (doesn't matter northern or southern) don't retort to violence to settle things.
peking Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 22:11:03 (PDT)

"You feel extremely proud when you hear other people say that Koreans or Chinese have a higher IQ than Filipinos..That's all fine and dandy. But realize that the true measure of success is service to GOD, country and mankind.."

thats very true, filipinos are very pious people and many asians just dont understand that we are.
jenny Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 19:11:09 (PDT)

J Lee:

Do you have data on Caucasoid subgroups? Do Slavs have higher frequency of B.O.? Whatever data you have is appreciated.
Commentary Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 19:04:39 (PDT)

asian bubba i agree with everything you say. You are the most credible person on this board and i respect your views on the anti filipino situation and i also agree with you. The Philippines has its problems but the people need to APPRECIATE what we have because God has blessed the Philippines and he truly loves us filipinos, we just need to love eachother. It all comes down to that. The reason why the USA is so blessed is because when you look at a dollar bill, what does it say? IN GOD WE TRUST.
The Philippines truly as Jose Rizal once put "The Pearl of the Orient"
God Loves the Philippines Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 18:58:56 (PDT)

ASIAN BUBBA IS THE SAVIOR!!!
all filipino 100% Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 18:52:23 (PDT)

I feel that Filipinos are Asians, however in high school all the Filipinos I knew refused to call themselves that.

They preferred to call themselves Pacific Islanders.
Why? Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 18:36:19 (PDT)

"Also, you may believe that Koreans, Chinese and Japanese are better than Filipinos.. Maybe it's true.. But it doesn't really matter because it all ultimately comes down to the individual human being.."
-Lieutenant "Asian Bubba"

Yes Sir, it all comes down to the individual person. It is obvious that you are a much evolved "human being" than all of these Filipino haters in this board like Korean dude and Asian sensation. tsk tsk
From a White Guy's Perspective Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 18:27:13 (PDT)

Tangun,

Chinese people care less whether they are related to Koreans or not. I don't know what the genetic tests say, but I had no knowledge or control over what my Han and Tang fathers did in Korea. Maybe they cuddled up to the local Korean women so much that the native Korean men drove them out with such ferocity even though the Tang army was most invincible at Asia during that time.
Tang general Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 18:19:34 (PDT)

East Indians are neither black nor white.

They are a separate eastern people. Their way of life, outlook, academic scores approximate East Asians more than they blacks, or even Filipinos.
don't hate Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 17:51:53 (PDT)

The Traveller,

Vietnamese is just like Korean and Japanese. Linguistically, it is an isolate independent language, although many features still seem to lump it with the Sino-Tibetan tongues.

Vietnamese is very tonal, even more so than Cantonese (the highest toned Chinese dialect).

And for your information, the Cantonese dialect is older than Mandarin. Cantonese was most likely the dialect spoken during Tang Dynasty times because all Cantonese refer to themselves as Tang people. Even many of the Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese loan words seem closer to Cantonese in pronunciation than it does to Mandarin.
Mandarin is the most recent of all Chinese dialects although it is the official and major one now.

My guess is that Vietnamese branched off from Han Chinese a long distant time ago. They borrowed features from the neighboring Mon-Khmers.
Han, Yueh, Chu, Wu are from the same tribes Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 17:50:07 (PDT)

Classical Mongoloidism is not recessive.

I have known many Chinese whose mothers were Korean-Americans with what you call the typical Classical Mongoloid look. All of them have the mother's looks.
it is dominant Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 17:44:18 (PDT)

Tangun Chosun,

You say:

>>>Chinese always speak as though Koreans are genetically identical to Chinese. That is definitely not the case.<<<

Please go on the Internet and check up DNA studies comparing Korean paternal genes and DNA with other Asians. The more recent and prominent ones consistently show Koreans to share 82% of their Y Chromosome 7 with 95% of the Han Chinese. Paternally speaking, they are both HIGHLY likely to have come from the same descent. And, this was done by Korean geneticists themselves. What more do you have to complain?

>>>Koreans have mixed with Chinese in the past, but mostly with Jurchens, Khitans and other other tribes of Tungusic or Turkic origins.<<<

Is that so? Do you even know the DNA composition of modern Mongols? They do not even have close to 40% of Y Chromosome 7 (the most common one among Koreans). How did Turkic tribes reach Korea anyway? I have never heard of it. They were more the northwest parts of China's border in the past as well as now. Maybe during the Tang Dynasty, some Turkic mercenaries served in Tang army when it sacked Goguryo and Baekjae kingdoms.

>>>The mixing of blood with Han Chinese is not as much as the Chinese like to claim (i.e., not greater than any normal mixing of genes through wars). Instead of indulging in typical Chinese chauvinism, try reading Korean version of history as well.<<<

Again, go check the SCIENTIFIC DNA studies and don't just whine and complain. The mixing occured through warfare as well as periodic migrations. Prior to the Korean 3 kingdoms, there was occasional Chinese settlement into Korea (esp. during the 300 year Han Dynasty rule in Korea). And, why not read a more neutral source, such as Western historical versions of Korea's interaction with China?

>>>Han Chinese tried a lot but never, at any point in history, completely subjugated the Korean peninsula. Southeastern Korea, for example, hardly had any contact with Chinese throughout its history.<<<

But, people move around and migrate. The northern Koreans and southwestern Koreans (who have plenty of Han Chinese admixture) did mix with people of Shilla. During Mongol and later Hideyoshi invasions, Koreans moved everywhere.

Why are you so adamant on eradicating Han Chinese influence in the Korean bloodlines when science proves otherwise?
why, but why? Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 17:38:39 (PDT)

Asian Bubba,

Sometimes, it is the other way around. To give you an example, lately there has been an emphasis by Filipinos to lobby for a separate racial category away from other Asians.

Why?

Because they still want to be eligible for government racial quota preferences and affirmative action policies.

You do not see the Vietnamese and Cambodians doing the same whining and they came from much worse conditions prior to immigrating to the USA.
Asian American Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 17:23:42 (PDT)

Hafti,

We can say that maybe 40% of the Vietnamese have Han ancestry.

Yueh, Hmong and Han (northern and southern) most likely share the same Y chromosomes.

They also once did a similar study on Cambodians and the research concluded that 60% of Cambodians have the Y Chromosome 7.

Vietnamese and Cambodians are partially Han/Yueh who intermarried with native Malays and Negritos. You see it.
Bobby Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 17:18:28 (PDT)

Once again, all these Chinamen are going beserk claiming the rest of Asia and Asians belong to China. They don't. All non-Chinese Asians hate Chinamen. What is China anyway? Even the concept of Han Chinese is a joke. China is as ethnically adulterated as the U.S.
Hate China Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 14:31:16 (PDT)

"Escavations and ancient culture of the region shows a similarity between ancient viets and the modern Muong (not related to the Hmong which happened a while back). This is indicative of a passdown from generation to generation to todays Muong. Showing a bit of evidence of ancestry to the region. And to let you know the Muong are light skinned and look close to exactly like the northern Vietnamese people today. Showing a relationship between the two groups of people. Also language similarities is undeniable, the Muong language is the MOST similar language to modern vietnamese, classified as Viet-Muong in the Vietic tree. This shows evidence of origin in the region."

Please show me the website, thanks.
The TraveLLer Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 13:47:07 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Remember that the people who classified the vietnamese language under Mon-Khmer ALREADY saw ALL of the evidence of it being Sino-Tibetan, hence the reason why it was first classified into Sino-Tibetan as Viet- Muong, but there is a reason why they reclassified it as Mon-Khmer, because there was more evidence for it to be Mon-Khmer.
Hafti Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 13:34:44 (PDT)

To, The TraveLLer;

Actually i realized that there is degree of difficulty in classifying language. Vietnamese was once classified as Sino-Tibetan, it was changed to Mon-Khmer after some research was done. If more research is done and it's changed back to Sino-Tibetan then well, let's see what happens.

What kind of chinese did you take? Cantonese is said to have retained more of it's old flavor then mandarin did. Vietnamese is in some ways similar to cantonese, but there is probably influence from mandarin also.

Even though old english is different from today, it too is similar to modern english. Hence similar classification. Most of the languages in europe are classified as Romance classification because they each derived from Latin. They came from a similar base, and that is how scientists/scholars classify.

"possible, but not likely. Look at Mexico, US, Canada, and etc... The languages speaking nowadays in these countries were not the native language. So your language analysis is weak arguement.

Further, what many scientist believed is that the "Vietnamese" language derived from Mon-khmer, Austronesian, and a large percent, at least 70 percent, of Sino-Tibetan(Which is Chinese). BTW, Han language is a Sino-Tibetan.

So your arguement of Language is rather weak. How about if I compare the Vietnamese culture to other, it's closest to Chinese than any neighbor countries."

That is one messed up argument. The mexicans, US natives, and such all lost their language. Vietnam didn't, that is a show of the power of the loyalty of the people. Just like when the mongolian came in, and the han population was to great to force the mongolian language on, so they used whatever the country was using for affairs. This shows excess on the size of the population. China couldn't take the language of the vietnamese out of the culture also due to that reason.

"Does that tell you that there were a large Han population immigrated to Vietnam at the time? For all I know, those Han's could be the modern Vietnamese's ancestor, combinig with others."

This actually doesn't tell of a HUGE han population. If the population was already huge of han then there would be no use in forcing anything, because the base population would have been han, and the rest would later just fall in. Like in the Ming era, these were once again enforced by law, but in that era there were still more viets then ming chinese. So that is a rather weak argument.

"Don't twist someone writing when it isn't yours. Just read it, appreciate it, question it, but don't twist it..."
AND
"Didn't you read the introduction? Are you blind or illiteracy? This website is about the Han migration."

Rediculous. It talks about in the introduction how the chinese disturb the lifes of the locals (first paragraph). It talks about how these people forced the locals to be part of the chinese cultural sphere.

Second paragraph speaks about how the chinese didn't like to move south to spread their political power, but instead tried to avoid it.

Third paragraph talks about how when an area has enough population it can separate and become a country of it's own. Culturally influenced.

NONE of those FOCUSED on han migration at all. But mixed up, on how people moved south. Nothing spoke of how when they say registered they meant that they only registered the han population. When a nation registers it's population it registers also the minority to boast it's population growth. In that paragraph it only said, 3/4 of a million registered people, not mentioning if it was han. That signified that there was a TOTAL of 3/4 of a million people in that area, not 3/4 million han in the area. This is under the title 'Jiao province and the far south coast' not the 'han and the south' one. Get it straight. The 'han and the south' talks about the han empire and it's people, about the lands environment, about the peoples expansion south. Nothing mentioning directly of Jiaozhi and it's growth.

When i was talking about Jiaozhi it was under the heading 'Jiao province and the far south coast'. So try to read from there. If it has nothing specific of vietnam then don't mention it, because this debate is solely about vietnam.

Here's a few things described in 'Jiao province and the far south coast'.

"In his description of the far south, which he looked upon formally as part of the territory of Southern Chu, Sima Qian observed that the people were for the most part non-Chinese Yue, a term which appears generally used for the peoples of the southern and southeastern seaboard."

That speaks of the numbers of viets, and how most of them weren't chinese. This is described by Sima Qian, the person who established the numbers. Hence he stated in that alone, that the registration included non-han yue. His statement that most of the population wasn't han indicated that most of the population was yueh. Hence when he did that census in 2 AD, and there was an estimated 3/4 of a million it indluced Yueh (viets), it describing the viets to outnumber the han, thus most of the 3/4 were viets.

"In 136, however, there was a great uprising, chiefly by the Cham people from the south, which overwhelmed the greater part of Rinan commandery, and made heavy inroads into Jiuzhen. Moreover, when troops were raised in Jiaozhi to oppose the rebels, these men in turn broke out in mutiny, and the whole imperial position in the region was threatened."

You didn't even incorporate the most important parts of the part when you said that these han troops could be our ancestors. These troops were raised to destroy the Cham, but turned out in mutiny. Just because there were troops on vietnam soil doesn't mean they are all our fathers, do you expect the Cham to also be our fathers? Such a weak statement.

With that evidence derived from your own source can you please counter them again. Your statement that seems to be the most flawed is that most or all of the 3/4 million described registered were han, when it was clear that Sima Qian registered even the Yue (described to be non-chinese/non-han by sima qian himself) when he said that the yue consisted most of the population.

I can only now say back to you, read it, understand it, savor it, but don't twist it (more specific in your case don't assume anything, it becomes a bad habit, in no way did it say the registrations only included the han).
Hafti Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 13:29:30 (PDT)

just another KM,

What are you talking about. A good majority of the North Korean illegal migrants are treated well in China. There was a documentary done recently on how the North Korean come across the frozen river into China make a phone call and some sympathetic Chinese person picks them up and give them a job.
AC Dropout Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 12:42:01 (PDT)

"Also sinodonty, which i find to be dominant (if i'm wrong tell me, i'm just saying it's dominant because i got it from my mother and my father has the sundodont type) shows only to be in 30% of the vietnamese people. "

Could you please show me a link to 30% of Vietnamese have sinodontoid?
The TraveLLer Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 12:24:31 (PDT)

filipinos are obviously asian
Leng apsotolic852002@yahoo.com Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 11:49:20 (PDT)

Elaine,

Many, many White men love, adore, and respect Filipina women for their beauty, charm, and kindness. BTW, I'm a White guy.
From a White Guy's Perspective Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 11:49:05 (PDT)

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