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COMPARING ASIAN NATIONALITIES
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I don't know much about Japanese or other Asian history, but Koreans sometimes still resent the Japanese during the Hideyoshi invasions of deporting many artisans and craftsmen back to Japan.

Now, I have studied that the Tang Dynasty of China also deported many hundreds of thousands of Koreans, including the defeated kings of Koguryo and Paekche back into China. Hundreds of thousands of slaves (males and females) were also deported to interior of Tang China. We never hear from them again. Maybe the men were worked to death and the women used for breeding purposes. It is not only Koreans in northeastern China, but they also did this with Indo-Europeans in western China and Vietnamese in southern China.

Koreans back then probably had the same hate for China as they now do for Japanese, but because China has always been a cultural benefactor for Korea, the bitter past of history between is always easily forgotten. They still had good relations with Shilla in 9th cent., even after the "hwarangs soldiers" drove the Tang out of Korea years earlier.

When will Japanese and Coreans ever be on more friendlier footing?
Masaki F. Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 03:54:30 (PDT)

AC Dropout,

You are a Chinese American in the USA so you cannot really know what is happening to the North Korean refugees in China.

Of course they get jobs. The men do low, menial, slave-like jobs, while the women do you know what...

2/3 of the current Korean refugees in China are women and children.

Before, North Korean women came to China in Yanbian (Yonbyon in Korean) to marry ethnic Korean-Chinese in order to stay. Now, there are criminal networks that cooperate in the luring of these Korean refugee women to be sold to the interior Chinese provinces because Han Chinese men are having a hard time finding brides now. These gangs will abduct any young Korean-looking females (yes, including Han and Manchus) they see on the streets. Korean women are prized in China for their looks, loyalty, eagerness to work, cook, have unwanted pregnancies, forced abortions and sexual abuses. Some sell for as cheaply as $10 at auction sales. They are never heard from or seen again in all four corners of China.

And, Korean men cannot report beatings by the Chinese police for fear of deportation and ultimate execution back in North Korea. That is why many want to go to S. Korea by jumping into other nation's embassies.

It is pathetic that the Japanese stood meekingly aside afraid when the Chinese police and Korean male refugees were going at it against each other. The Japanese men later picked up the Chinese police's hat from the ground and politely gave it back to them after the scuffle. Then, the next day they accuse the Chinese of illegally entering their embassy when it is quite clear from video footage, that they also wanted those Korean refugees out by cooperating with Chinese police.
just another KM Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 03:46:01 (PDT)

[Vietnamese and Cambodians are partially Han/Yueh who intermarried with native Malays and Negritos. You see it.]

Vietnamese mixed with Negritos? That's a stupid notion. I've seen Filipinos with Negrito blood, but no Vietnamese. By the way, have you even seen a Negrito? There's some small Negrito tribes in the Philippines, maybe in Thailand, but then again they all come from Papua New Guinea. I had a friend from there (a Papuan) and he was black. He was short with kinky hair. Basically speaking he could pass for an African American. That's why these people were called negritos (little blacks) by the Spanish.
wtf? Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 03:31:24 (PDT)

KOREAN DUDE:

You're a freakin idiot!!!

Whats with all the Filipino bashing? What makes you think that your race is better than ours, or any other ethnic group for that matter. Let me tell you something about you!

Its a joke for you to say that you are superior to anyone else. You say that Filipino women are sluts. What about Koreans? They're gold digging sluts themselves. All they look for in men is how much money they have,what kind of job they have, and what that that man could buy them. They don't seem to look at anything else in a man. They also have really bad attitudes and I guess thats why so many Korean men tend to beat their wives so much. Lots of Asain women are materialistic but Korean girls are way worse than the rest.

I've met plenty of Koreans in my lifetime and most of them are A--HOLES!!! So you consider yourself to be of a "REAL ASAIN RACE". I know Chinese and Japanese people who can't stand Koreans. They constantly say that Koreans are crooks and back stabbers. And that they can't be trusted when dealing with people outside their race. So don't fool yourself into thinking that other Asain races love you.

The difference between Filipinos and Koreans is that Filipino's actually interact and socialize with other ethnic groups. We can accept other people because we have so many different cultural influences in us. (Spanish, Chinese, Muslim, Western Culture, ect.)

So tell me....Who do Koreans accept.....THE ANSWER IS NOBODY....Koreans always stick to their own as if they're too good for other Asains!!!! You go into their nightclubs and people look at you like your lower than dirt if you're not Korean. Even my Chinese friends get treated bad when they go to Korean clubs. AND THATS EVEN IF THEY LET YOU IN. SOME CLUBS WON'T EVEN TAKE YOU IF YOUR NOT KOREAN!!!!

Why do Koreans have clubs anyways? All they're good for is drinking and thats about it!!!!! Have you ever seen Korean people dance.....HAHAHA....ITS PATHETIC!!!!! They don't have good music or good DJ's. So I don't know why so many Koreans hype up their clubs so much when there is nothing special about them in the first place.

What gave you the idea that Filipinos aren't smart. The reason the country is poor is because of all the corruption there. You look at filipinos who were born here. They're able to make a better life for themselves when given the opportunity. Most people in the Philippines don't have the opportunity to do something even if they are well educated. Besides, we have a high literacy rate and can speak english better than people in other Asain countries.

For you to take negative aspects of an ethnic group and talk smack is wrong. But since you like to talk so much I guess I'll do the same thing and see how you feel!!!!

By the way.....Don't get me wrong. I don't hate Koreans or anyone else. I have my share of Korean friends too.=P
A Cute Filipino Guy Who Knows Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 02:36:34 (PDT)

Who cares about the foreign tutored views of Indians. The Rigveda, Patanjali and Cyrus's views can not be changed. In the ancient period people living in India, Iran and Central Asia wre referred to as belonging to the Aryan race. So there can be no confusion on this and no one can create a confusion on this. We in no way identify ourselves with people who have used this term to describe themselves as a superior race. Aryavarta is ancient and pure, kind yet tough.
yayati Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 17:15:22 (PDT)

We are not interested in the Western version of an Indian term Aryan. The only true Aryan and pure race is found in India. The Indian Aryan has nothing to do with the beast-like behaviour of other people using this term. The true Aryavarta is kind, compassionate, human and brave.
yayati Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 17:13:58 (PDT)

FILIPINO PRIDE BEFORE ASIAN PRIDE!
me. Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 11:09:28 (PDT)

TSJ,
Islam is not the original religion of the Philippines. It was spread to the archipeligo via Indonesians and Malays from Malaysia. The majority of Filipinos in the 1500's were animists. Aside from the Sultan states of the south, the Muslims in the north really didn't embrace Islam. In fact the civilizations of Indonesia use to raid the Philippine Islands and enslave people and forced them to convert to Islam.
T dot O in 2k3 Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 09:55:05 (PDT)

I can't believe what I'm reading from some of the Filipinos that post here. Let's get some facts straight.

Tagalog, Hiligaynon, Cebuano, and all the other so-called dialects are really separate languages. A dialect is a variety of language. A Cebuano speaker cannot understand a Tagalog speaker. An Illongo speaker cannot understand a Cebuano speaker. Therefore, they must be considered different languages. I am an Illongo and I don't understand or speak Tagalog, nor do I wish to learn it.

Filipinos like to use the Spanish as crutch for their problems, yet they never blame the Americans for their misdeeds in the islands. They have a tendency to ignore the acts of genocide by the Americans from 1898-1907. They ignore the restrictive trade policies by the Americans which stiffled the country economically. They overlook the exploitation of labour and natural resources by the Americans.

The true fact is that we Filipinos are only to blame for the current conditions of the country. The Spaniards and Americans left a long time ago. Instead of using tax dollars to build infrastructure for businesses we use it to promote a useless language called "Pilipino" which only 20% of the population uses on a daily basis. The Americans gave us the opportunity to master the English language, yet we don't promote the most important language, in terms of business, in the world.

The schools teach Pilipino (nothing more than a dialect of Tagalog) to grade school children as a lingua franca instead of the child's own language. That is why so many provincial children get low grades.

We elect actors as government representitives instead of legitimate candidates.

We fall in love with imported goods and export our brighteset individuals to do menial work.

Once these things are rectified then the Philippines can move forward towards a better future.
T dot O in 2k3 Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 09:45:47 (PDT)

To "Han, Yueh, Chu, Wu are from the same tribes":

You posted, "And for your information, the Cantonese dialect is older than Mandarin. Cantonese was most likely the dialect spoken during Tang Dynasty times because all Cantonese refer to themselves as Tang people."

As you're aware, Vietnam split away from China in 939 A.D. at the end of Tang Dynasty. Thus, Vietnamese language might also inhere from the Tang Dynasty, that is why it's, in some ways, resemblance to Cantonese. Further, the Canton and Quanxi provinces used to belong to the territory of Nan Yue(Nam Viet), this also could give a similarity in language between Vietnamese and Cantonese. Sino-Vietnamese (Han-Viet) language could also be older than Mandarin.

Thank you for your input, but as most people in here know, Cantonese is probably older than Mandarin. Nothing here is to argue.

"Vietnamese is very tonal, even more so than Cantonese (the highest toned Chinese dialect)."

High pitch tone doesn't hold strong support to classify what group of language it belongs to. This is to say that different provinces produce different tones, either high pitch or low pitch. Such in the case of the GB English, American English, and downunder English, they all have different pitch tones. I believe environment and climate based on different regions can change tonal voice among speakers. In Vietnam, the Southerners tend to have a high pitch in speaking than the Northerners. The same could be said in Taiwan and mainland China with the use of Mandarin.

However, the point to my post is that language changed throughout times and places. Therefore, using language to determine one ethnic background is a weak science. Other methods, such as archaelogy and genetic analysis, have little more of a merit to a proven theory. Nonetheless, all our discussions here are theory and hypothesis wise. No one in here has yet to come close to accuracy, that is to say mine also...

Be well
The TraveLLer Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 00:37:15 (PDT)

Han, Yueh, Chu, Wu are from the same tribes,

I also notice that, in some respects, that Cantonese or Taiwanese/southern Fujianese sounds closer to Japanese or Korean, than Mandarin does to Japanese or Korean. Yes, Mandarin, Taiwanese, Cantonese are NOT related to Japanese or Korean, but I think there may be some connection. Taiwanese/southern Fujianese and Cantonese were more like the language spoken during the Tang period which was the period that especially the Japanese were most influenced by Chinese culture.

Mandarin is actually a much newer language than Cantonese or southern Fujianese.
Han-Yueh-Pingpu Aborigines Friday, August 16, 2002 at 22:55:09 (PDT)

"Once again, all these Chinamen are going beserk claiming the rest of Asia and Asians belong to China. They don't. All non-Chinese Asians hate Chinamen. What is China anyway? Even the concept of Han Chinese is a joke. China is as ethnically adulterated as the U.S."
-Hate China

With that being the case, then the all-encompassing Chinese race holds claims on everyone.

Actually, I haven't read any chinaman's post that consisted of ramblings about all of Asia belonging to them. If anything, it's been the other way around, with all other Asians claiming ties to chinamen.

Speaking as a chinamen, I could care less. I may even prefer not having any ties with the other Asians. If those were the circumstances, then I could easily claim ethnic superiority with great assurance.
chinatown Friday, August 16, 2002 at 21:39:58 (PDT)

Hafti,

I am not an expert on this, but the Yueh people you refer to are most likely a Sino-Tibetan lingua group.

The ethnic minorities that still live in the mountains of southeast China (Zhuang, She, etc.) speak Sino-Tibetan languages as do the Muong of northern Vietnam. They are said to be the closest direct descendants of the ancient Yueh.

Now, I don't know about modern Vietnamese as their langauge is now classified as Mon-Khmer and only 40% of the Vietnamese population have the "Chinese" Y Chromosome 7 haplotype.
Yueh are not Mon-Khmer Friday, August 16, 2002 at 18:58:01 (PDT)

TSJ:

"What if we don't believe in God? Here you are spreading the Christianity/Catholicism your country was forced upon by the Spaniards. What about the original Islamic faith of the Phillipines? Or even the folk religions of the natives?"

Asian Bubba was not necessarily spreading the Christian beliefs, he was spreading love and understanding.
Russian girl Friday, August 16, 2002 at 18:32:10 (PDT)

What about the original Islamic faith of the Phillipines? Or even the folk religions of the natives?

If the Filipinos were muslim today, theres no doubt in my mind that we would be called terrorists.
coocoocal Friday, August 16, 2002 at 15:28:35 (PDT)

Christianity in the Philippines is not a victory for the SPANIARDS. It is a victory for GOD.
God Bless The Philippines Friday, August 16, 2002 at 14:51:56 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Here's what i think. If what your saying is true, that most of todays viets have han blood in them.

I would say that this blood is probably from our mothers side, as in our viet fathers married chinese women at those days. Hence the reason why when we test for paternal Y Chromosome dna, we don't find to have many similarities with the modern chinese.

If what i say is true, then it explains the reason why we look as a whole A LOT lighter then most SE Asians around us, and the reason why we don't show evidence of the same fathers (because it's maternal).

This can explain why the vietnamese in the south are a bit lighter then those other places of SE Asia. But in the north of vietnam, i stick to the Muong ideology. Mainly because we share a similar language, and we also share VERY similar looks. The muong are said to be indegenous, so because of this, i would conclude that the northern viets are probably mostly indegenous to the area, due to it's relationship with the Muong. The Muong and modern viets are said to have once been 1 tribe, but split up 2 thousand years ago. Legends, looks, and linguistics support this theory of mine, so i'm sticking to it unless, legends (which is passed down from generation to generation, both viets and muongs share very similar stories, hence a show of common lineage), looks (if you take a muong and put them in hanoi you couldn't tell the difference if he was muong or viet), and linguistics (EXTREMELY similar to modern vietnamese, but just take out the majority of the chinese influence), then this theory would be killed.
Hafti Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:40:20 (PDT)

To, Han, Yueh, Chu, Wu are from the same tribes;

I agree on what your saying, but from me, i'm not very sure where the language should be classified, i only know that vietnamese is extremely similar to the Muong language and to Cantonese.

But yeah, in ancient times, Yueh, Chu and Wu were very close to eachother, so there is probably racial similarities or similar lineage.

The Yueh destroyed the Wu, then the Chu took advantage of the times to attack the Yueh when it's resources went low. So with all that invasion there must have been some closeness in the areas of where they lived. Hence, more oppurtunities to mix, or be of the same ethnic altogether.

But the Han were way in the northwest, so i'm pretty sure if there is influence on te other tribes, i would say it happened later after the other tribes came to closer contact.
Hafti Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:24:56 (PDT)

TSJ,

If I understand correctly you neither deny nor confirm the existence of GOD.. It's cool, my friend.. I have nothing against that.. We were all given free will to think for ourselves.. As for being a Christian, well, it's all about having faith.. My post was nothing more than exercising Freedom of Speech as a proud American.. Also, you may or may not believe, but the founding fathers of this country were all Christians.. The mighty US was built on Christianity..

No, I am not an Army Ranger.. I am just your everyday regular US Army paratrooper.. "HOOOAHH" is a term used Armywide.. You do not have to be a member of Special Operations to say it.. (Watch the show Basic Training on the History channel and you will know what I mean. Also watch the movie "Courage Under Fire.)

There was a "real" reason why we went to Somalia.. Publicly, it was because the United Nations asked us to..Personally, I would rather see the Americans be the "police force of the world." Would you rather see China (no offense to Chinese-Americans) or the Arab countries (no offense to Arab-Americans)assume this great responsibility? Think about it..

Look, man.. I have been all over the world (from my early childhood in the Philippines, to the time we immigrated to the states, and the many times the Army sent me all over the world). And I will tell you one thing.. There is no better country in the world than the United States of America.. The first thing I do everytime I get up in the morning is thank GOD for being here. You should be thankful, too. That is why I proudly wear the uniform - to give something back to my beloved adopted country that has given me and my family so much..
HOOAAH!!

"Cowards die many times before their death; the valiant never taste death but once."
Asian Bubba Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:21:30 (PDT)

To, Bobby;

Can you give me the site where it says that 40% of all viets have han ancestry.

Because from the sites i've read i only saw a result of 40% for 11 people. How did 40% of 11 people become 40% of 90 million?

I don't like to say that 40% of all viets have han ancestry, only that there is a possibility that there is 40% of viets have han ancestry.

The numbers are probably WAY off. I bet the number is either A LOT lower or A LOT higher.

And Y Chromosome doesn't really tell that you have 100% han ancestry, i already have 50% han genes in me for sure, but that is from my mother, so if my father has NONE han blood in him, i'll show up with no evidence of Han Y chromosome 7. It can only show a bit.
Hafti Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:20:51 (PDT)

To, Foot Man;

Like i said, if you didn't read my post then don't reply.

I got what i got from Biology class, if you never took biology then sorry, please don't reply with non-sense.
Hafti Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:12:20 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

http://www.inetsupermall.com/amazon_online_books.htm

That books describes sinodonty in greater detail, and it's the book with the data i found.

http://www.nhandan.org.vn/english/identity/20020720.html

http://www.hawaii.edu/cseas/pubs/vietnam/vietnam.html (this has a few lines talking about them still using the dongs on drums)

http://vietnamtourism.com/e_pages/vietnam/54dantoc/fr_54dantoc.htm

http://www.hoabinh.gov.vn/main_vanhoamuong_eng.html

The last site has more information directly about the Muong. The other sites have some information that supports similar lineage. Like a paragraph or two which suggests similar customs in the dong son drums...etc...
Hafti Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:11:13 (PDT)

Has anyone notice that Hafti is delusion and cannot read or interpret what the authors wrote on their websites that I posted earlier?

He's lack of reading skill or comprehensive and twists what the writers wrote.

I don't know where he gets this part: "Your statement that seems to be the most flawed is that most or all of the 3/4 million described registered were han, when it was clear that Sima Qian registered even the Yue (described to be non-chinese/non-han by sima qian himself) when he said that the yue consisted most of the population." Again, is he delusion or what?

In this sentences, "After the collapsing of Trung Vuong, the Han rejected the system of Lac Hau, Lac Tuong and reinforced the administration with Hans. They forced Viet people to follow Han laws, Han way of living and immigrated vast numbers of Han people into Viet country, taught Han language in an attempt of Sinicization of Viet.", from this website (http://www.bvom.com/resource/vn_history.asp?pContent=Ancient_Time).

He doesn't have the comprehensive thought to understand what is a "VAST NUMBER". To him, "A VAST NUMBER" means a tiny portion. I guess he needs to take ESL again.

Why is there a word called "Mutiny"? And how does he get that the troops in Jiaozhi were not the Han? Did the author mention about other ethnic? This is to show readers how twisted is Hafti(Daffy).

Further, if he thinks that the Malay-Polynesian(which is the Dong Son) is his main ancestor, then all he has to do is travel to any polynesian islands to find them. Eventually, they immigrated there, as documented by the British, Indonesia, Philipine and other government agencies.

BTW Hafti, if I'm ignoring you is not that I'm afraid or a coward. It's because you're delusion and need help. I don't want to asociate with a mad man like you.
The TraveLLer Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:10:21 (PDT)

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