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just another KM,

Look the Korean are illegal immigrants in China. So of course a majority of them get low skill labor as jobs. You ever see an illegal immigrant become the CEO of a public company in the USA?

Well those N. Korean from the Japan consulate incident eventually ended up in S. Korea. Everyone is happy.

An international group sent by the UN to study the Yanbian illegal immigration. Determined that a vast majority did not qualify as refugee status. Since there is no fear of punishment when caught. Unless you are a high level N Korean defector will there be fear of execution. The vast majority are like Mexican in the USA. If they are caught and there is no publicity they are just sent back. Then the next winter they will come across the river again.

Yes the Japanese consultate incident was pretty stupid. Japan is still trying to come to terms that China is going to become the new center of asia. So the politicians in Japan thought it was dealing with China of the 1940's. Then they got their faces slapped in the international media.
AC Dropout Monday, August 19, 2002 at 12:34:58 (PDT)

Masaki F.

I actually think that considering Korean liberation from Japan has been achieved only close to 5-6 decades, the relationship between Korea and Japan is quite good. Objectively speaking, occupation period was quite devastating to Korea (to be fair, the Japanese brought modernization to korea, but only at a staggeringly high price), and the last time ethnic Han Chinese attacked Korea was hundreds of years back. Of course, the Chinese participated in the Korean war, but they were not seeking to colonize Korea--they were spreading communism, hand-in-hand with communist Koreans. Many people from this era is still alive today, and we still see the aftereffects of this today. I think within 2 decades Korea and Japan's relationship will dramatically improve as older people die, Korea's economic status improves, and both Koreans and Japanese become more global minded. This is already happening. I can give you a load of examples: Kim Dae Jung's administration has relaxed restrictions on Japanese culture(more japanese animation, films, music, and computer games are allowed in korea.) Korea and Japan successfully co-hosted World Cup. There is increased Korea awareness amonst Japanese people--attitude about Korea has changed from the older generation to the new. (watch the slew of 'korea' in Japanese pop-culture as seen with BoA, won bin in "friends", etc etc)

I just hope, now till then, I don't have to read any more stupid quotes from Shintaro Ishihara or any other Shintaro fans. I mean, when I read Yahoo Japan forum(translated into Korean) it is discouraging to see so many anti-korea posting, but I think that most normal people don't go out of their way to write anything positive on the internet. Many Korean people have a "Japan Allergy",but I think that this tends to be over-blown--Korean people don't really get obssessed over Japan all the time, just as most Japanese people don't obsess about US droping a bomb over Hiroshima. And Koreans attitude towards a Japanese person on a personal level is very different. For example, many Korean baduk(go) enthusiasts admire the Japanese Go masters.

p.s. I think that a lot of Korean people tend to believe that Hideoyoshi's invasion was "good" for Japan in that it brought Korean artisans to Japan. I think that a lot of Korean people should also realize that Hideyoshi's invasion brought deaths to thousands of Japanese soldiers as well as the hardship caused by increased taxation on the common japanese peasants to finance the war--I think the only "real" winner was Hideyoshi himself for killing off all the unstable elements from his rule--of course, Hideyoshi himself would be over-thrown, and Tokugawa-Chosun relationship really wasn't that bad at all. But that's a different topic.

p.p.s. if you think Korea-Japan relationship is bad, look at the relationship between former colony Zimbabwe to her former master Great Britain. It makes Korea-Japan relationship look like example for others to follow!
ka Monday, August 19, 2002 at 11:11:23 (PDT)

T dot O in 2k3

I speak Cebuano, Tagalog and English as my third language.

Yes, you are right. The Americans and Spaniards left long time ago but the influences both bad or good will be forever programmed in our minds in everyday of our lives and God knows when these will be changed.

Yes, they have elected actors (i haven't though) but still it doesn't make any guarantee for many non-actors are still corruptive.

We don't export our brightest individuals. It's just the country doesn't have much work for every individual and, the brightest ones are the ones who could easily go out of the country and find a living.

I don't understand why the children get low-grade if the schools teach Pilipino? I'm from the province particulary Davao but I speak better English here in USA compared to my friends who are from IVY League Schools in Manila. I get complimented from time to time by fellow Asians and Caucasians because of my English speaking capability.

I think education begins in ourselves. If we don't give extra effort then we get what we deserved.
Lilith-fair Monday, August 19, 2002 at 10:01:33 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

"Why is there a word called "Mutiny"? And how does he get that the troops in Jiaozhi were not the Han? Did the author mention about other ethnic? This is to show readers how twisted is Hafti(Daffy)."

Here's a bit of logic for you. Did the author mention anything about the Han when saying he gathered up the troops? NO!

And Sima Qian himself spoke of the non-chinese yue consisting most of the population of the south coast. SIMA QIAN HIMSELF, the guy who took the census. He himself noted this, and for some reason you have more knowledge of his census then he himself? Fool.
Hafti Monday, August 19, 2002 at 09:56:49 (PDT)

MLK,

referring to your question about Siberian Asians in the "bi-cultural" forum:

Siberian Asians (natives) can be divided into several groups:

1) Iranians (Caucasoid);
2) Western Turkics (Caucasoid);
3) normal Turkics;
4) Tungus;
5) Arctic people (like "Eskimos");
6) Mongols;
7) Ugrians.

-The non-Caucasoid are those who are more interesting for us:

Turks are mostly dark-skinned in the east and northwest, in the north and south rather light-sknned. They have abundant body-hair and are narrow-shouldered. In some regions they are taller than the surrounding people. Their mentality is "fierce and warlike", whatever that means.

Tungus are close relatives of Chinese and Koreans, only smaller.

Arctic people are basically "primitive" ice people, shaped by their environment.

Mongols are usually associated with the big tribes Khalkha and Buryat. They are relatively tall and broad-shouldered, have less body-hair, dark reddish skin and frecklings. I think they are more peaceful than Turks.

Ugrians are still an enigma to the scientists. They are light-skinned, but that is one of the few of their features known. They might have mixed with their Turkic neighbours, I'm not sure about that. However, the Western Ugrians are peaceful and have less in common with Turks.

All above mentioned non-Caucasoid people have slit-eyes, most of them with a slight epicanthic fold.
rare stuff Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:55:03 (PDT)

How do Koreans think of Arabs? There were some Arab sailors and merchants who got stranded in Korea at one time (Shilla kingdom period). And, they stayed behind and intermingled. Do Koreans see Arabs as dirty, terrorists like everyone else does?
Hafiz Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:35:31 (PDT)

Dear Hafti,

I know the Goldsea website is kind of slow for new posts. You will receive this message after you replied with some offending words to my post on Friday, August 16, 2002 at 13:10:21 (PDT).

Therefore, I will not answer to your new post that will be posting by Monday, but I will check back sometimes later, if time permits.

I've never said that the Modern Vietnamese, the Kinh, are full Han blood. On my first post, I stated that the modern Vietnamese, the Kinh, are not real 100% "Viet/Yueh". Modern Vietnamese are mixed, possibly equal number of Han and "Viet/Yueh" put together, who knows? We may also mix with the "Dong Son" (Malay-polynesian) in certain degree, but I believe not to a great number.

Why do I conclude this?
1) because the Dong Son population are not the same race as the modern Vietnamese. One is a Malay-polynesian and the other is a Mongoloid. Two different species.

2) After 1000 years Chinese rule, changes happened and civilization migrated. History of human is mostly about migration, thus I don't hold double standard for Vietnam when comparing to any other countries.

3) The Chinese had the upper hand in controlling Vietnam in 1000 years, why is this? Did the Han had more population than the indigenous to make this happened? If they don't then how? Through technology weapon (although, this is less likely, since the Dong Son was first before the Han or the Yueh to produce bronze weapons)?

4) Further, since the "Dai Viet Su Ky" was written in 13th century by Le Van Huu, most were legends and myths, and it had several controversial issues when comparing to the Dong Son culture. This brings question to myself who based knowledge through science rather than myth, as this is the 21th century. Indeed, this needs further research and investigation rather than blindly accepting a myth like a Christian studied a bible.

This is my theory, first there were the first indegenous people who inhabitated the Red Delta Valley, known as the Hoabinhian. They were replaced (or intermarried with another race) by the Melanesian (Dong Son) in the later time. The Yueh from the southern border of the Yangtze river migrated to the Red Delta Valley, possibly at this time intermarried with the Dong Son or overran them (since there were waves of the Dong Son's migration to the Pacific islands, recorded by scientists). Then the Han invaded the territory, they immigrated, in a vast number, and intermarried with the the Yueh in this region, thus creating the modern Vietnamese(a southern Mongoloid race.) During the chaos in the north, in 939 A.D., the people of this region rebelled the central government and created a new nation. Who of these clans(the Dong Son, Yueh or Han) had contributed a large gene to the modern Vietnamese is unknown yet? I tend to believe the Han, since surname, culture and language relect my thinking. On the other hand, you disagreed and believed that the Vietnamese had been influenced by the Chinese.

I have nothing more to say, but would like to add some words to this post. Whatever you like to believe is up to you, but my presentation here is not for any part a political movement. I still hold firmly on what I presented, as you for yours. I enjoyed the debating and admitted there are so much hostilities between our debates. However, I don't have the luxury to debate daily, since I have work to do. My patients and work come first, so please excuse me for leaving. I'd done this once in the past because of this particular reason, but addiction to Vietnam's history had bringing me back to this website, once again. Have a good day and be well.
The TraveLLer Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 23:30:49 (PDT)

Was it true that the Koreans took an active role in being police guards in Japanese bioterrorism complexes in Manchuria (they call: "Manchuko")? And, they took delight in beating Chinese, Russians, Mongols and Manchu prisoners? Did these Koreans steal farmland from native Han and Manchus? Were there a lot of Koreans in the Japanese Imperial armies that invaded and massacred millions in China? I know that Taiwanese soldiers in the Japanese army chose to fight in other areas of the Pacific besides China.
biological experiments in Manchuria Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 22:04:11 (PDT)

TO A Cute Filipino Guy Who Knows

Yes, Korean are big-timer losers in the international arena, and make themselves loathe by many Asians.

I never really heard any good comments on Koreans by other Asians.

They are the new hatred targer in Asian community now.
SiGn Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 22:01:14 (PDT)

Asians aren't the only people hating each other. Besides, they don't really "hate" each other, it's more like "prejudice". Even Europeans have prejudice among themselves.French have not-so-nice things to say abt the English and vice versa, Greeks still suspicious of the Turks,etc.I think Asians of today are doing better than their fathers and mothers of the past decades. We see lots of young chiinese and koreans listening to J-pop and watching japanese films. Japanese and Koreans are inter-marrying each other even more now.Many Japanese feel remorse and regret abt their past atrocities in china and are learning more abt the chinese and their culture. We see different people of different asian ethnicities mixing and making friends with each other although there are some who still prefer to mix among heir own kind. Things will change slowly.There will come a time when Asia becomes a rich continent like Europe and all racial/ethnic hatred among asians will cease and forgotten.
An Asian Vision Of Peace and Prosperity. Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 21:19:00 (PDT)

Hate China,

Your reason for hating China because of its diverse population does not make sense. Every nation in East Asia is comprised of mixed ethnic groups, including Indonesia, Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam, where there are physically and linguistically distinct regional differences that manifest itself in ugly forms of discrimination and rivalry. If you want to hate someone, you should hate the mutt-like person you see in the mirror.

The history of East Asia during the past 100 years has been about hate. Today China is working very hard at bridging gaps to unite all East Asians under one single trading bloc, and she will most likely succeed to a certain degree within the next ten years. After a tumultuous past century, we have entered a new century of cooperation in East Asia; all of East Asia will be united, and they will be better for it.
Stop the Hate Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 21:02:30 (PDT)

Masaki
I think although there are sore spots to resolve between Corea and Japan, but they are making great strides. Just look at the World Cup, who in their mind would of thought these two nations could host the world's biggest event successfully? And cheer for one another?
I know among the younger generation there isn't much hostility but I know older Coreans remember since they lived through it. As long as the Japanese government refuse to educate their students of the truth about Japan's atrocities Coreans and other Asians will always have some suspicions.
I think the biggest suprise this year so far has been that the Japanese royal family has admitted having Corean blood from the 7th century.
Time marches on Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 20:42:12 (PDT)

T dot O in 2k3:

Filipino people still have a long way to go to erase their colonial mentality.
You cannot blame them.
A hundred years of colonization Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 18:14:03 (PDT)

If you have anything to say about my sources, these are some of my sources:

1. Sites on Sinodonty (describes the frequency of sinodonty and carabelli's trait among the chinese);

http://www.ada.org.au/media/documents/Products_Publications/Journal%20Archives/1999%20Archive/March/Hsu%20%2040.pdf

2. Site on Sinodonty (talks about the types of teeth, along with sundadonty, carabelli's trait, sinodonty and the population these usually show up in);

http://www.anthro.ucdavis.edu/courses/s02/ant156/Lecture%206.pdf

3. A book on Sinodonty (this has the statistics of % of such and such people, and should be more in depth to the issue of teeth);

http://www.inetsupermall.com/amazon_online_books.htm

4. Genetics on E Asians and SE Asians (Y Chromosome study):

http://imbs.massey.ac.nz/bio_evol/Topic6/Lahn-etal00.pdf

5. Here's the site about Jiaozhi population growth:

http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/south_china.html

6. Maps of Nam Viet (vietnamese territory long ago, at that point we were at the point of south of our original territory called Viet, which should be around Fukien and Zhejiang):

http://emjnet.history.ohio-state.edu/121%20UM/Lecture%2016/04%20Early%20hist.htm
7. Another map of Nam Viet;

http://www.ehistory.com/vietnam/maps/images/015.jpg

8. Here's a map of china (so you can compare to see which province was of Nam Viet or not):

http://iso.china-labour.org.hk/iso/images/map_provinces_web.jpg

9. Study of Y Chromosome and how it supports the Out-Of-Africa theory;

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010511074454.htm

10. Genetics study of Y Chromosome on Asians (this provides better data, as in charts and such, RECOMMENDED OVER NUMBER 4);

http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_1999_v65_p1718.pdf

11. This has a little diagram that clusters things closer to eachother if it is related, it talks about the taiwanese and hakka mostly (RECOMMENDED OVER NUMBER 4);

http://www.wufi.org.tw/eng/linmalie.htm

12. Theory of diaspora of which the ancestors of the E Asians came from (it's a book, try to pick it up at the library, pretty interesting);

http://www.wspc.com/books/lifesci/4840.html

13. The same Y Chromosome test with 12 thousand plus people (explains it better then number 9);

http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/Science_2001_v292_p1151.pdf

14. Site which gives a few theories of the origin of the polynesians (says they came originally from taiwan);

http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/Gibbons_Science2001.pdf

I need more sites on genetics, so if anyone has a site on genetics please post it.
Hafti Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 16:46:17 (PDT)

A Cute Filipino Guy Who Knows,

OUCH THE TRUTH REALLY DOES HURT.
coocoocal Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 14:46:37 (PDT)

To, Yueh are not Mon-Khmer;

The Y Chromosome 7, is a Han chromosome, not a Yueh chromosome. So if modern vietnamese have less of it, it only means that we're less related to the Han (the tests show a higher frequency of this chromosome in the north, hence it's more han then it is southern).

There has been a tests on Y chromosome, and i remember a graph that shows less then 30% having Y Chromosome 7 on the chart (the pie chart was around the area of the delta where the muong lives). So if the Yueh are 100% ancestors to the Muong, then it only says that the Yueh didn't have Y Chromosome 7 as much as the north did. I don't know where the Zhuang lived, so i didn't really notice it. I posted the site on this forum before, so if you want it just go back and try to find all my links, there shouldn't be more then 15 links altogether that i brought up, so it wouldn't be hard to find it.
Hafti Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 14:45:52 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

WOW, you picked up one of my ideas! That any similarity between todays SE Chinese, Taiwanese, and Vietnamese is probably due to the fact that the ancient Yueh once lived in those areas. Not a passdown from the Han long ago. I'm not sure about the fact that your saying that Cantonese is older though, all i heard is that Cantonese holds WAY more of it's ancient characteristics then mandarin did over the years. As it didn't mutate much to be what it is today, but mandarin did.

Now you just need to learn how to read (yes i'm refering to the people registered thing).
Hafti Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 13:53:52 (PDT)

Hafti:

'I got what i got from Biology class, if you never took biology then sorry, please don't reply with non-sense'
------------------------
Sorry for my tone, kid. I didn't know you were still in high school.
Foot Man Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 13:53:23 (PDT)

To, The TraveLLer;

That's a different site ALTOGETHER! Are you blind or didn't you notice that? Every site has it's own ideas, and the first site doesn't say anything about a HUGE migration. Maybe you should pretend to be a doctor and try to be smart.
Because even Sima Quan (the guy who made the statistics) admitted that he counted the non-han yue. Hence the reason why he said that there were more non-han yue then there were han chinese. Re-read it because it seems that your having reading problems. That site talks about how many people there were altogether in the area, not just all the han. If you can't read you won't notice the part where it just says that there is an estimated 3/4 of a million PEOPLE (not just han) in JiaoZhi in 2 AD.

"In his description of the far south, which he looked upon formally as part of the territory of Southern Chu, Sima Qian observed that the people were for the most part non-Chinese Yue, a term which appears generally used for the peoples of the southern and southeastern seaboard."

AND

AND your not reading again, since when did i say that the dong son are our main ancestors? Just an important one.

Here let's educate you.
Here's the meaning of mutiny:
"mu�ti�ny Pronunciation Key (mytn-)
n. pl. mu�ti�nies
Open rebellion against constituted authority, especially rebellion of sailors against superior officers."

And here's the passage from the site that talks about mutiny:

"In 136, however, there was a great uprising, chiefly by the Cham people from the south, which overwhelmed the greater part of Rinan commandery, and made heavy inroads into Jiuzhen. Moreover, when troops were raised in Jiaozhi to oppose the rebels, these men in turn broke out in mutiny, and the whole imperial position in the region was threatened"

It only speaks of a group of gathered men going mutiny, not a group of han men. And the definition of mutiny has NOTHING about race, and that passage speaks nothing of those men being han. Can you read or are you once again dillusional? You tell me where that site says that those men who rose to mutiny were han.
That's why i was laughing at this comment of yours; "Does that tell you that there were a large Han population immigrated to Vietnam at the time? For all I know, those Han's could be the modern Vietnamese's ancestor, combinig with others." Because it speaks nothing of those men being han, but you keep on saying they are.

"We do not, unfortunately, have any census figures for the population of Jiaozhi commandery under the Later Han dynasty, but in 2 AD there were almost three quarters of a million people registered, more than in all the rest of the province put together, and it seems certain that the number of inhabitants must have reached above a million during the second century AD."

READ that, and tell me what it tells you. I see that literacy runs low in your family. It says that under the LATER han there were no census. But in 2 AD there were 3/4 of a million people. And it says that it is certain that the number of INHABITANTS must have surged to a million or more in the 2nd century AD. You notice it uses the word INHABITANTS? It means ANYONE who lives there, NOT just han. Also the use of PEOPLE registered, NOT han registered! Can you read?

SO JUST STOP BEING STUPID, stop trying to TWIST the meaning of sites! It speaks nothing of han when talking about Jiaozhi.

"In his description of the far south, which he looked upon formally as part of the territory of Southern Chu, Sima Qian observed that the people were for the most part non-Chinese Yue, a term which appears generally used for the peoples of the southern and southeastern seaboard."

There it is again. When counting the people of SE China Sima Quan even counted teh non-Chinese Yue! So when this site says REGISTERED PEOPLE, it doesn't mean just han! So get it in your head. There were 3/4 million people in TOTAL, not 3/4 million han. Sima Qian admits that there were more Yue then there were han, the person that made the census. So i don't know why your stupid enough to conclude things blindly. Oh those troops were han, oh those numbers are all han. When the guy who made the census even counted the yue.

"In 2 AD the population of Hepu was recorded as just under 80,000, and it had increased very little, to some 86,000, by the time of the Later Han count."

That is also done by Sima Quan, and it says that the population of Hepu was 80,000 NOT JUST THE HAN. GET IT IN YOUR HEAD.

RE-LEARN HOW TO READ, it WILL help you. ASSUMING becomes a bad habit, try to not do it so much. Registered people, doesn't mean just han. When Canada has a gov't census is also counts the vietnamese, and it also says REGISTERED people, if it only counted the anglos then it would have said so. And in this sites case it does not say so.

BTW, this is the site we were talking about if anyone is interested: http://www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/south_china.html#jiao

Here's a tip, if you don't know what a word means try using a dictionary, it works.
Hafti Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 13:34:12 (PDT)

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