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COMPARING ASIAN NATIONALITIES
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Hey people, when Goldsea set up this topic on "Comparing Asian Nationalities," I didn't think they attended you guys to go on and on and talk about biology or genetics. Why aren't you people talking about how different Asian nationalities perceive each other socially and get away from all this genetic garbage.

You people ain't anthropologist so why do you continue to discuss it. Do you people have too much pride? And I'm assuming the people in here live in America, so can we talk about your experiences with other Asian nationalities and the negative or positive feelings we have for one another? Can we discuss how other Americans perceive us?
People in here think they're anthropologists Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 12:31:04 (PDT)

To TSJ:

The group is called "ABU SAYAF" not ABU SAYED. Anyway, does anyone know the difference between Abu Sayaf and the MILF? Are they the same?

There's a Muslim Extremist Group in So. Philippines who wants Mindanao to break off from the Philippines and become an autonomous Muslim State. The government doesn't agree with them coz the majority of the people in the Mindanao island are Catholics/Christians. And because the Phil gov. is ignoring their demands, this extremist group (either the MILF or Abu Sayaf) resort to terrorist activities such as the bombing of Catholic churches and kidnapping of tourists.
sampaguita Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 11:47:03 (PDT)

"Also the fact that the Muong have been recorded to have been around the mountainous areas for over 2 thousand years, they shut themselves out of chinese influence. And yet they look lighter then other minority groups. This supports the idea, that mongoloids would have migrated to the area earlier then the han have. This mongoloid could be one of the 100 Yueh who has been in the area of SE China longer then the Han has ever been there."

Through the unscientific background of the Vietnamese government, they would appear that way. But there're no scietific proves to this logic, only through the government of Vietnam. Everyone on this planet knows that Vietnam is lack of scientific research, and all its history are myth and legend. Every scientist stated that they never find the Hung Vuong era, they only related to the Dong Son culture. Although, lack of scientific backup and several controversial issues that bring to big question. Two different species that existed in the same place but at a different time frame, how is this? And that the older specie seemed to migrate to many Polynesian islands, why is this? All you have to do is compare the Pacific Polynesian and the modern Vietnamese to see if their genes match, or their facial and body structure match. It doesn't at all.

Show me a link that stated that the Yueh are a mongoloid. The people of the Han and the Chin dynasty were a mongoloid race. The Mongoloid could probably also be one of the Chin soldier branches who invaded the south and named their empire "Nam Yueh", during ~200 B.C., they were not the Yueh.

For your information, the Chin dynasty is considered as a Chinese dynasty, not a Vietnamese dynasty. They were the same race as the Han. But from the han to the Tang dynasty, Annam was one of the Chinese province. You cannot deny this. The Shang dynasty was also considered as one of the Chinese dynasty, not a Vietnamese one that you seemed to adhere to. No Vietnamese history included the Shang dynasty as a part of their history, but the Chinese history does include the Shang dynasty. So your "Nguyen" surname can be a Chinese Surname, not a Vietnamese. Try harder next time. If you decide to argue to this, please show me a piece of Vietnamese history that mentioned the Shang(Thuong) dynasty. Everyone agreed that Chinese history started with the Shang dynasty. Your logical thinking is way off. The "Nguyen" surname arrived in Giao Chi(JiaoZhi) province during the Han dynasty, and it was a Han general by that surname who ruled the territory. Twist all you want, but the "Nguyen" surname is a from China now and before also.

Poor guy, you seem to be delusion all the time, thinking that Nam Yueh was controlled by the "Yueh", when in fact it was controlled by Trieu Da (A Chin general), he was also a Chinese, not a Yueh/Viet. That brings more than a thousand years of Chinese controlling the territory. Wow, that is a long loong looong time, no wonder there was a change of race population in the province, from the Melanesian(Dong Son culture) to the Mongoloid(Modern Vietnamese). Wonder why?
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:45:21 (PDT)

Many of the latter Koryo kings of Korea married Mongolian princesses. If Koreans can claim Indian blood from one ancient princess who married the king of Kaya, then there would be much more Mongol blood because more than a couple had married Mongol wives.

The Chinese emperors of the Tang, Sung and Ming were known to have taken Turkish, Persian, Mongol and even Korean wives and concubines. I am sure the Han Chinese have the blood and genes of all these aforementioned groups.
Jae Chun Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:18:22 (PDT)

Are Iranians a Caucasoid or mixed race?

Some of them look Caucasoid/Middle Eastern as this girl does:

http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2002/August/afsaneh.html

And, then there are some Iranians whose phenotypes are clearly Eurasian such as this girl:

http://www.virtualiran.com/vzone/2002/may/10_2.asp

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The latter girl looks kinda Chinese to me. She looks Chinese, even though it was mainly Altaic tribes (Turks/Mongols) who conquered and mixed with Iranians in the past. But, there were also lots of Chinese merchants who travelled and settled in Iran for thousands of years. And, not to forget that among the Mongol invading force in Iran and Arabia(Ilkhans), came with them many Chinese (as foot soldiers and siege technicians). There was once a large Chinese quarter in Tabriz (northwest Iran) during the Mongol rule in Iran. The right hand minister and leading general of the Hulagu Khan in Iran were both ethnic Chinese from China. The Ilkhan Chinese in Iran also came as tax collectors, merchants, doctors, scientists, artisans, hydraulics engineers, etc. There were Chinese Buddhist temples found everywhere all over Iran, but they vanished because they have become Iranians and Muslims by now.

So, the Iranian model girl in the second pic. might be a distant relative of the Chinese without her knowing it. She looks too obviously Chinese with the typical Han/Sino features.
I am wondering? Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:14:32 (PDT)

"Did you know that the southern han is closer related to the vietnamese as a whole then they are related to the northern han?"

Explain to me what is a southern Han and a northern Han. They are both Han, n'est ce pas? So what is your point?
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:08:54 (PDT)

"Your standpoint seems to be based on the fact that most viet names have a chinese equivalent, but through genetics it shows that sharing the same last name doesn't necessarily mean sharing the same father (the Y Chromosome test). Please reply to this point which is made by the post before this."

Please show me the study!

I'm still waiting!
The TraveLLer Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:06:12 (PDT)

Hafti,

Since you insist, prove to me the "Yueh" are light complexion. I read my website before I even posted HERE. And nothing in that website indicates what you interpreted. It seems that you have a complication in reading the website. Did you read the introduction? In fact, what is your education background before you concluded that I didn't read my source, please answer? Do you hold a college degree or a high school diplomat?

Here's what it stated: "
Introductory summary
At the end of the second century AD, all southern China was formally under the authority of the imperial government of Han. The territory was divided into three provinces, with a substructure of commanderies and counties. One function of the present chapter is to present a geography of the southern provinces, with indication of local topography, communications routes and the products of the region.
For the future, however, the important development of the Han period was the number of Chinese subjects who migrated into the lands of the south, and established themselves within those territories. As they did so, they placed increasing pressure on the non-Chinese people who had formerly inhabited the region, and brought almost endemic disturbance to the region. The physical occupation of the ground, moreover, was accompanied by a cultural aggression, generally supported by official patronage, which integrated the territory still more firmly into the Chinese cultural sphere.

The pioneer immigrants, however, had not normally come to the south in order to expand the political and administrative control of the central imperial government based in the north; on the contrary, they were often seeking to escape it, and the unit upon which they based their fortunes was the family, the extended clan, or a local system of mutual defence. By the end of the second century AD, as the authority of the central government was weakened through political conflict and turmoil in the north, the new settlers in the south maintained no particular sense of allegiance to the unified empire.

Moreover, whereas in earlier times the territory of the south had been easily and naturally held under the control of whichever power could dominate the north, the increase in population south of the Yangzi now meant there was the possibility of establishing a separate state, Chinese by culture and tradition, but politically independent from the lands of the Yellow River. Upon this demographic foundation the generals of the south would build their fortunes."

Who were the immigrants? The Yueh or the Han? And who seemed to be the mutinies? Yes, the introduction clarified my point of view. It was clearly the Han.

This sentence, "In 2 AD the population of Hepu was recorded as just under 80,000, and it had increased very little, to some 86,000, by the time of the Later Han count." Where did it mention about the Yueh? NONE

Yet, nothing here's about the Yueh. This website is dedicated to the migration of the Han to the south. That's pure simple as it can get. only a person like you would twist the words, but guess what? On the introduction, it clarified who was the people that the writer was talking about. IT WAS THE HAN.

This showed that you are delusion, my friend and lack of reading skill.

Further, I never switched my mind to your belief that the Dong Son's were the real Vietnamese. I proved you're wrong that the Dong Son were Negrito, and that they were Malya-Polynesian (Melanesian/Austronesian). Mondern Vietnamese are MONGOLOID RACE. The Han were also a Mongoloid race.

By the way, what is a "vast number" to you? You have not yet to address the other website.

I still think that the northern Vietnamese have more of a Han blood than you might have think of.

Tell me, you claimed that the Dong Son's are the real Viet's ancestry, how's that?

All the webistes that you posted, nothing mentioned about 30% of Vietnamese population has sinodontoid. And where is the genetic between the Viet Muong, Chinese and the modern Vietnamese? None of your websites mentioned about the differences in genetic finfings between the Viet Muong, Vietnamese and the Chinese.

Show me where it mentioned that the yueh are light skinned!!!! and prove to me the yueh were also a mongoloid group. or it's your believe and delusional thought?

GIVE ME THE GENETIC WEBSITE.

I'm waiting....
The TraveLLer Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 16:40:43 (PDT)

Turanian,

"the real 'Siberian' Turks (Tuvans, Yakuts, Khakass, etc) look no different from Mongols and Tungus."

First of all, Tungus are racially East Asians, linguistically Altaicized.

Those who are racially as well as lingualistically Altaics have not developed into the "classic Mongoloid" direction, their phenotype remained relatively "in between the races". Foreign admixtures were added.That makes now the impression as if all people with "intermediate" features were Caucausoid/Mongolid mixed. The truth is that the exact "borderline" between Western Turkic and the Mongolid Turkic hasn't yet been examined carefully enough. More researches will have to be done.

Siberian Turks are remarkably different from Mongols and especially from Tungus, but Turkicized Tungus (like Evenks, Evens and Dolgans in Yakutia) might claim to be Turks, too. This was not the original state which I referred to.
rare stuff Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 16:08:28 (PDT)

TSJ:

Regarding your comment from another post. You are right.. The Philippines is considered a hotspot for terrorist activities. The group is called Abu Sayaff.. They are located in the southern part of the country.. The Philippine government and the majority of Filipinos, on the other hand, are pro-Americans.. So far the country has had two American-educated presidents. They were Ramos (graduated from West Point) and the current president, Macapagal, went to Georgetown with Clinton. Macapagal's father was also an ex-president.. (Just like Bush Sr. and "Dubya.") Many of the country's top politicians and its own version of "Hollywood" elite are also US-educated.

The Philippines' muslim population is roughly 10 percent, and the great majority are Catholics / Christians.. These Filipino muslims are giving the whole coountry a bad rep.. Filipino Christians do not like and trust these muslims anymore than Americans trust Hussein and bin laden and their followers..

About your question regarding military movies.. Black Hawk Down was the way it really happened. Personally, I appreciate the fact that it was not "Hollywooded." Just like in any regular Army unit, the rangers were young.. I guess it's okay to call them "kids" without insulting them.. Many of those rangers just got out of basic, AIT, airborne and ranger schools.. The average age of a junior enlisted soldier in the regular army, including the rangers, is 21.. The average age of Special Forces (Green Beret) and Delta Force is 33..Those younger rangers looked up to the older Deltas.. Perhaps maturity (or lack thereof)has alot to do with appearing scared.. But young or old I would poop my pants too if I were surrounded by thousands of Somali thugs trying to kill me. I am very proud and thankful of what those rangers and deltas did..

In my opinion as a military officer, Somalia accomplished absolutely nothing militarily or politically.. You have to remember that George Bush sent our troops there at the request of UN.. Clinton pulled them out without finishing the job. Also, you have to remember that that sell-out Clinton sent the marines to protect Aidid after the incident with the rangers..Go figure.. The majority of servicemembers cringe when they hear the name Clinton..Even though Somalia was a fiasco, Americans should realize that American servicemembers are ready to go anywhere in the world at a moment's notice.. American servicemembers are that which that others did not want to be. They went where others feared to go and did what others failed to do.. And they asked nothing from those who gave nothing.. For this, Americans should be proud of and totally support all those who wear the uniform..
Asian Bubba Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 16:00:07 (PDT)

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