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"Are Iranians a Caucasoid or mixed race?"

-Your own links support that Iranians are the light-skinned version of (North) Indians. Thus they are related to Pamiri, Pashtuns, upper caste North Indians, Tajiks.

Take a closer look at the more Southern populations of the above mentioned. They have all a relatively high percentage of crescent inner/upper eye lid (when the eye is opened). NO mongol fold. The halfmoon inner eye is (nearly) always combined with the mongol fold among the non-Caucasoids in North-ASia.

The real hapas are further in the north. Look out for Turkmens and Uzbeks. Some of them are obviously mixed because the combine the TRUE MONGOL FOLD with a clearly Caucasoid nose.
rare stuff Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 07:02:36 (PDT)

Hey guys,

***note to moderators*** - I've already posted this message in the Best&Worst of Corea poll, but I don't seem to get any response and this topic looks like it's still alive so im posting it here instead, thanks.

I was wondering if someone could help me with my little dilema.

A few months ago I was applying to a private school in canada. Oh and btw this school has students from all over the world whom are wealthy. After my interview I had to do an english test. While I was doing my english test, I noticed some cute Korean girl staring at me. After a little while she stops looking at me and talks to one of her male Korean friend. The next thing you know, that guy comes over and starts talking in Korean to me, so I was like "sorry I don't speak Korean" and then he said "you chinese?" and I replied yes. The second he heard this, he was looked surprised and dissapointed, then walked away without saying a word. I felt kinda awkward after that moment, but i decided to ignore it since I had my test to do.

After the test I had a tour around the school. Right after the tour I browsed around and noticed another Korean girl who was looking at me. Soon enough she approached me and asked if I was Korean!!?? I told her I wasnt and she had that same dissapointed look but instead of walking away without saying a word, she said "oh, sorry!" then left me.

To cut straight down to the point: I really want to get along with people in this school, and at my other school I usually hang around the asian group of people but since I've seen allot of Koreans in that school and so far it seems to me they are not interested in me because im not Korean? Please if someone can give me advice, please do so(preferably if ur a Korean)

PS. I forgot to mention that these Koreans were born in Korea, not north americans. Thx
Al human_projectile@hotmail.com Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 06:09:23 (PDT)

I read in an article that the Vietnamese people have a 10 percent chance of being genetically defected because of inbreeding. The article states that Vietnam is the "West Virginia" of Asia. Is this true? I guess the phrase "incest is best" also applies to Asians.
Korean Dude Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 05:59:48 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Like i said, can you explain to me, the LACK OF CHINESE INFLUENCE on the Muong? They have no linguistic relations with the chinese language, and neither do they have anything common in culture. And yet they can be described to have the same physical looks as the northern vietnamese do in north vietnam. From common knowledge, the vietnamese once practiced animism (sp?) just like the Muong do. We hold dearly the Dong Son drums, just like the Muong do. And we have an extremely similar language to the Muong.

Looks are the same, language is similar to the extreme, and history also says we're related. Including past culture, which is still practiced today by them, and we note ourselves to have practiced that same religion in the past. Can you explain this? The EXTREME difference from the chinese, even different to what the chinese were two thousand years ago when the Yueh migrated in, and different to whatever the chinese were before that.

And yet they look mongoloid. TELL ME! I'll be waiting.

And to let you know, the Ming at one time burnt all the vietnamese people's books. All the history we have today is mostly what we translated from chinese sources. The french also burnt a lot of books, of which many was valuable. Many of the books we have today we got from china (translated). If we have a tendency to have un-scientific sources, you might want to check up on your chinese sources.

Remember that ALL that was recorded as history during chinese rule was written by the chinese, even at that point our history was written by them. Whatever our history has been at those times, you can be sure that it was written without bias to highten ourselves due to the fact that most of it or a large portion of it was written by people who thought we were low.
Hafti Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 22:30:35 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Here's a thought to you trying to make me prove that the Yueh were ALL mongoloid. There were one hundred different tribes.

that site you provided also say that the shang were black! if you want to stick to that site to keep on saying that the yue are also black then go ahead, then most of whatever you believe in is also now wrong. the shang aren't ancestors to the modern chinese, and the shang are considered descendents to the yellow emperor, so if the yellow emperor isn't also chinese, wow that's alot of history that has to be changed. just because of one site.

so until you can find a credible site, all i can say is that modern vietnamese are mongoloid. the chinese are sure that we are descendents to the yueh. they know we are mongoloid, hence the reason why they think we are descendents to the yue is because of the fact that everything connects. go look it up on the worlds most notable encyclopedia (britannica.com).

and can you find me a site with more then a few lines like, "yes they were black", if you can find me a site that describes each and every tribe, because it's a known fact that each and every tribe was distinct and had different cultures. if you cannot go with common history like this, how can you be so sure your right? wow.

i'm waiting for your research, to prove that the yueh are negroids. your afrocentric site is also against you, due to the fact that you say the shang were the begining of chinese history, so if you believe in that site so much, now the chinese are also from a black ancestor, we hold the same scenario. but from what i know, the yueh weren't all black, and i don't know of the shang much. but if you keep on claiming that the shang are mongoloid, then sure, give me some proof that says that the shang weren't black and yueh were black (on the same site), so that your not getting ideas from different theories and history. because obviously, the sites that say the yueh were black also says the shang were black, and has a whole bunch of historical flaws to it.

i'll be waiting... it's just so funny how ignorant a person can be.
Hafti Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 22:18:13 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

A little side not, like i said, sima qian, the person who made those censuses noted that the non-chinese yue were of a greater size then the han. this means that he counted the yue along with the han, meaning that he counted the yue.
"in his description of the far south, which he looked upon formally as part of the territory of southern chu, sima qian observed that the people were for the most part non-chinese yue, a term which appears generally used for the peoples of the southern and southeastern seaboard."

that noted that he himself counted the non-chinese yue (viets). meaning that he took note of them.

"we do not, unfortunately, have any census figures for the population of jiaozhi commandery under the later han dynasty, but in 2 ad there were almost three quarters of a million people registered, more than in all the rest of the province put together, and it seems certain that the number of inhabitants must have reached above a million during the second century ad."

it speaks of 3/4 of a million people registered. also noting the quote "...the number of inhabitants...". from this you can see that he included all that he considered people, and all the inhabitants. he counted the inhabitants. and noted that the yue were the majority. this means that the site itself that you brought up supports me in the fact that at that time the majority of the people were yue and not han.

i don't know where i am twisting the words of the author, if i am tell me the exact spot.

here's the title of the article.

"south china under the later han dynasty"

from that you can see that it speaks of the times/history of south china under the later han dynasty. not the south chinese han. get it through your thick head.

Doctor, yeah right. How can someone so ignorant be a doctor?
Hafti Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 21:54:17 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

"Please show me the study!"

Go back to "Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 16:46:17 (PDT)". Once again, you didn't even read my post and yet you reply once AGAIN! It's getting annoying, i DON'T MIND critisizm from someone who knows my standpoint, but from what your saying you absolutely don't know what i was saying and don't know the evidence i was presenting!

"Explain to me what is a southern Han and a northern Han. They are both Han, n'est ce pas? So what is your point?"

Look at the fricken genetics research! it is stated in there. the northern han are more related to the koreans then they are related to the southern chinese. and the vietnamese are more related to the southern chinese then they are to the koreans or the northern han.

read my sites before you blab on.

"and that the older specie seemed to migrate to many polynesian islands, why is this? all you have to do is compare the pacific polynesian and the modern vietnamese to see if their genes match, or their facial and body structure match. it doesn't at all."

you know that the theory on the polynesians coming from vietnam isn't the only theory. there are theories on the polynesians coming from taiwan as well opposed to the one from vietnam. and that theory has plenty of genetics to back it up. it's on the post of sites on "sunday, august 18, 2002 at 16:46:17 (pdt)" oh wait, you didn't read it because your ignorant.

"everyone on this planet knows that vietnam is lack of scientific research, and all its history are myth and legend."

are you ignorant? are you dumb? are you stupid? the hung vuong era has been noted to be a legend, which has many archaelogical back up to it towards the dong son. for this reason it is believed to have been a story from the dong son, which was so deviated and altered to the point of disbelief. this story was mentioned in a speech by the trung sisters one thousand years before it was written in that book you keep on talking about. this is proof that the age of the legend must be extremely old, but because it was written so much later (one thousand years later), it must have been deviated like any other story in any other country. the funny thing is that your so ignorant and didn't see that fact. that even in vietnam it is considered a legend, and to be very little support for history. but because of it's plot, and it's old age, we can read it to see if it can lead us anywhere (so far it only leads us to the delta). smell the coffee.

"the shang dynasty was also considered as one of the chinese dynasty, not a vietnamese one that you seemed to adhere to"

since when did i say the shang were vietnamese? find that post! then reply, because i did not say that. and as a fact, the site that you gave that said that the yueh were negrito also said that the shang were also african descendents, so if you believe your site so much stick to it, it says that shang (your so called chinese) are also black! don't find a few lines you like and forget that the entire site isn't worthy of mentioning.

"the "nguyen" surname arrived in giao chi(jiaozhi) province during the han dynasty, and it was a han general by that surname who ruled the territory."

once again try to read better, i did not say that. the nguyen last name was first documented to have been taken up by ruan empire loyalists! they were attacked by the shang, a foreign nation to the ruan empire, so no the ruan were not chinese at all if you consider the shang to be the ancestors to the chinese, because the shang lived adjacent and side by side with the ruan. lol, funny that your trying to twist my words around, because never have i said the shang were vietnamese, i didn't even say the ruan empire were vietnamese. funny, your so ignorant and such an idiot.

"poor guy, you seem to be delusion all the time, thinking that nam yueh was controlled by the "yueh", when in fact it was controlled by trieu da (a chin general), he was also a chinese, not a yueh/viet."

i hope you know that trieu da has always been noted to be a chinese. but, he was the same guy that executed all that was loyal to the chinese. he was assigned to be the governor of nam viet, but he committed treason and became ruler. he has been admitted into the vietnamese society, not the other way around, where he turned the vietnamese into chinese.

and once again, anyone who remembers what the traveller have said remind him. he's not so bright, he was so committed to the point that the yueh were dark skinned in his afrocentric site, that he forgot that that same site said that the shang were black too. hahaha, what an ignorant person, he doesn't even read his site out to the fullest.

p.s. hey traveller, if you have trouble reading, you might want to start at the kindergarden level, it teaches you what simple words mean.
Hafti Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 21:45:55 (PDT)

[Stop going nuts with ALL-CAPS phrases and carriage returns. You even put carriage return at the start of each post! Why!?! You're wasting our time. --Ed]

To, the traveller;

"Since you insist, prove to me the "Yueh" are light complexion. I read my website before I even posted HERE. And nothing in that website indicates what you interpreted. It seems that you have a complication in reading the website. Did you read the introduction? In fact, what is your education background before you concluded that I didn't read my source, please answer? Do you hold a college degree or a high school diplomat?"

You also have lacked the support to your point that ALL of the 100 Yueh tribes were dark complexioned. It is welly documented that the 100 Yueh tribes were all different each of which combined to fight the invading han from the north, they held off well but later in the years (when the han started to exploit the resources they had on their newly conquered land) they started to win. This is a welly documented fact, ask anyone here i would bet they read it in a TEXT BOOK, not a site. And if you have not learnt this yet then your lacking a lot of common knowledge.

The sites you brought up about Yueh darkness is extremely questionable, how do these 'afrocentric' scientists know that i ching was written by a person of african ancestry? and many many flaws of these sites were brought up, that person that brought up the flaw please state so. if you don't even read other peoples posts then don't reply.

your asking me for my degree? funny, the reason why i won't disclose my degree is because it isn't valid in a debate like this. if you feel so attached to such a superficial idea then sure, i'm currently studying to be a family doctor (but i'm still in those years of basic science). that is the reason why i questioned your position when you said that you have never seen toes where the second is a bit longer then the first, which from what i see is extremely common among viets, and moderately rare among other ethnics, but not to the point where a doctor with 20-30 patients like yourself would not see daily.

"who were the immigrants? the yueh or the han? and who seemed to be the mutinies? yes, the introduction clarified my point of view. it was clearly the han."

funny, try reading again. from what you quoted, it only speaks of how the population grew under han dynasty rule! it speaks nothing of a han migration southward, only that their might have been later on.

"yet, nothing here's about the yueh. this website is dedicated to the migration of the han to the south. that's pure simple as it can get. only a person like you would twist the words, but guess what? on the introduction, it clarified who was the people that the writer was talking about. it was the han."

actually this site is dedicated to southern china's population growth during the han dynasty. here's the title of the site, "

"tell me, you claimed that the dong son's are the real viet's ancestry, how's that?"

go back to school and learn to read. i spoke nothing of the dong son being our real ancestry, only that they had a huge influence due to cultural evidence. you might want to re-read what i stated before. i said that the modern viets are probably dominantly a yueh descendent (this has been accepted by chinese scholars!) but with a lot of cultural influence from the han and some genetic influence, this is also followed with equal to the han influence or a slight weaker or stronger influence from the delta people.

"all the webistes that you posted, nothing mentioned about 30% of vietnamese population has sinodontoid. and where is the genetic between the viet muong, chinese and the modern vietnamese? none of your websites mentioned about the differences in genetic finfings between the viet muong, vietnamese and the chinese."

before you embarrass yourself, the 'viet-muong' are the viet and muong! the viet and muong are so related racially and linguistically that they are characterized under viet-muong for linguistics. you clearly don't understand that, and you say your a doctor! hahah, funny. what is the difference between the viet-muong, vietnamese and chinese? hahaha, the viet-muong are the vietnamese. it's like saying, what is the difference between the spanish, spaniards and english (where one is for sure related and no need to be mentioned as a separate identity). wow, try to learn more about the vietnamese ethnics before coming back to this, just like when you said there was a dong son vi (and you posted this throughout your post thinking there is such a group). hahaha, shows the lack of your knowledge on the field.
Hafti Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 21:30:12 (PDT)

To, People in here think they're anthropologists;

Actually, it's actually a debate, and i'll probably leave the debate soon, but not yet. Even though the site is about comparing asians, you know that the editor/administrator has accepted the fact that this has become a debate on origin.
Hafti Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 21:12:17 (PDT)

To the Traveller,

You sound like you are contradicting yourself. You said in one of your posts that the Han Chinese have yellow, sticky and almost liquid earwax. Then you said in your other post that the Mongolians in Northeast China have dry, brownish earwax. You also said that these two tribes were biologically similar since they lived in the same geographic area although gnerations apart. The people in these two tribes were the same physically and culturally. How can you conclude this based on two different types of earwax presented?

Please explain.
Korean Dude Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 19:57:31 (PDT)

Why do you people waste time talking about earwax? Let's talk about how different Asian cultures cook dogs instead..

In Corea, we torch the fur off and then boil the meat until tender.. I know that in China dog dishes vary from soup all the way to barbecue. I feel insulted when white Americans make fun of the fact that we Coreans and Chinese eat dogs.. I think it is a double standard.. People in America eat rabbits, deer, alligator and squirrells.. Why isn't it okay to eat dogs?
Korean Dude Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 19:41:01 (PDT)

How can you as a foreigner hope to change the history of the Aryan race just because the word Aryan does not suit you. The true member of the Aryan race is noble and kind. So we can not look upon the degenerate beast Hitler's criterion as an Aryan. The Rigveda describes the Aryan race, so do the later inscriptions of the great Darius. The true Aryan race is indeed also noble. Do not connect the true Aryans with the Nazis. Aryans originated in India. There is no controversy.
yayati Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 16:45:14 (PDT)

Here's a very interesting page about Southern Iranians. Take note of their apprearances. It seems that despite many people's claims that Persians most closely resemble whites, the population of Iran harbors a wide variety of Phenotypes.

http://www.iranian.com/Arts/April98/Jonoob/index.html
Not all Iranians are "classic" Euro-Caucasians ( I doubt many are) Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 15:53:48 (PDT)

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