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Iran is "whiter" than most of it's arab neighbors. Iran is the only non-Arab nation in the middle-east. It's population are Farsi-speaking "Aryans" (ie. Caucasians).
A higher percentage of its population is blue-eyes and light-skinned when compared to Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq.

The word "Iran" itself stems from the word "Aryan". Aryan...Iryan...Iran.

Of course I'm not going to deny that some Iranians in remote corners of Iran which border other countries share similarities with their neghboring piopulations. And this is why small populations have Mongoloid Asian bood from the Chinese, Mongols, Turks, or Australoid blood from Indians.
From Iran Sunday, August 25, 2002 at 02:35:11 (PDT)

All evidence points to the fact that the Aryans originated in India. Indians rarely mixed with any other group as this meant you were thrown out of your community or even death. Also all North-West was Aryavarta.
yayati Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 15:20:01 (PDT)

"Iran is more hapa compared to Europeans",

maybe this statement is somehow suitable to shift Iran more into the East Asian direction. What is your purpose, then?

It cannot be proven, yet, whether one ("Iranian") is more "hapa" than the other (European). As you might have read/heard there are also rumours there would be hapa populations in Central Europe. I was once pretty struck when I discovered a "Rassenkunde" book from the pre-nazi or even nazi times wherein pure-bred Mongols were depicted as "pure-bred Germans from isolated villages". Such facts or "facts" are usually attributed to the "Huns" and "Mongols".

The blood type B phenomenon has probably the reason that Iranians as well as East Asians, Semites and black Africans are all descendants of bigger basic population. Amerindians, Europeans and Aborigines could have a much smaller gene pool because they derive from rather inbred populations. E.g., it is said that all Swedes are supposed to descend from only 7 cavepeople.
rare stuff Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 07:26:45 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

http://home.i1.net/~alchu/hakka/toihak0.htm

This site talks mainly of the findings on the genetic make-up of asians by japanese scientists. I find this to be a bit appropriate to avoid biases in anyway in the interpretation of the data.

"The
G6PD mutant and F8C/G6PD polymorphism studies suggest that the Han and
minorities of southern China, southeastern Asians, Han and aboriginal groups
in Taiwan probably originate from the same ancestors somewhere in
Southeast Asia or southern China. The current Han population in Taiwan and
southern China are unlikely the descendants of massive migration of northern
Chinese."

From the studies, it shows that there's an indication that the minority groups of asia have common ancestry with the Han.

"Hakka also have close "relatives" from
other southern aboriginal groups such as Mulao, Zhuang, Dong, Jing,
Miao, Bouyei, and Shui."

Even though the Han and other aboriginal groups have common ancestry, you can cross off the viets (jing), because they have common ancestry with the hakka and minnan(who are now proven to be of the Yueh).

"South Chinese join Southeast Asians while the North Chinese
associate with Koreans, Japanese, Ainu, Bhutanese and Tibetans.
Other Southeast Asians includes Malaysian, Balinese, Viet Muong,
Thai, Indonesian and Philippine."

This is just in case you want more links to prove what the post before this was saying.

The research was done by the japanese, and the chinese. So it's undeniable.

The Hakka, Minnan, Viets and some others are descendents to the Yueh. It has been proven that the Minnan and Hakka have a distinct genetic make-up compared to the han. It has even been suggested that they should consider themselves Yueh instead of Han.

Can YOU deny genetic proof of our difference? Even the southern chinese have EXTREME differences with the Han, what makes you think the Viets can be more Han then the southern chinese are?

PLUS, Trieu Da was a Hakka! So that migration was another Yueh controlling another Yueh.

It's under migrations, it talks about Zhao Tuo and his creation of Nam Viet.

http://www.asiawind.com/hakka/history.htm

So in a way, that cancels out that so called huge Han migration of yours.

GENETICS DON'T LIE.

Hafti Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 02:27:21 (PDT)

Sigh...

You guys all sound like Heinrich Himmler justifying the supposed superiority of the Aryan race with your varying judgments as to the "quality" of the different gene pools contributing to the impossible hodge-podge of chromosomes making up Koreans, the many different ethnicities of China, Japam, SE Asia etc.

We all know that most of us (natives) of whatever country we come from can identify who is a countryman or not.

Should it surprise anyone that the one monstrous entity throughout history - China - (monstrous in terms of sheer geogrpahical size, population and ethnicities) with its history of invasion and plunder (especially towards its nearest neighbors) has contributed to (some would say polluted) the gene pools that typically make up Korea, Vietnam, Japan to a lesser degree, etc?

No it should not.

Does that make anyone superior or better? NO. Does that make the historical Chinese the mongrel makers of Asia? Not necessarily unless you want to cling to a pure race theory. There is no such thing as a pure race - sorry Japanese people.

We are all different - perhaps only slightly at a genetic level - but extremely different in many other cultural ways.

Distinguishing tiny genetic differences between us serves no purpose other than to prove what we already know - there ARE national characteristics and there WAS considerable mixing at various points of history.

Grow up and move on towards being the best and most mature Chinese, Korean, Japanese, or whatever person you can be.
ROK All Day Friday, August 23, 2002 at 22:08:24 (PDT)

The traveller:

the idea that northern Vietnamese look like northern han i think is ridiculous and without foundation. u said u've been to china but i seriously doubt it. i don't think Northern vietnamese look like northern chinese at all.

1. northern chinese have smaller eyes. the majority of northern viets have eyelids.
2. northern chinese have obviously higher-bridged nose. very few northern viets have the type of nose.
3. northern chinese are definitely taller and bigger.
4. quite a few N.viets have somewhat (slightly)jutting jaws.
................
there are other physical differences as welll .

however, viets are not dark-skinned and considered purest descendantsa of the yuehs.
yueh are a mongoloid race. Friday, August 23, 2002 at 21:22:23 (PDT)

The traveller:

the idea that northern Vietnamese look like northern han i think is ridiculous and without foundation. u said u've been to china but i seriously doubt it. i don't think Northern vietnamese look like northern chinese at all.

1. northern chinese have smaller eyes. the majority of northern viets have eyelids.
2. northern chinese have obviously higher-bridged nose. very few northern viets have the type of nose.
3. northern chinese are definitely taller and bigger.

however, viets are not dark-skinned and considered purest descendantsa of the yuehs.
yueh are a mongoloid race. Friday, August 23, 2002 at 21:19:06 (PDT)

People in here think they're anthropologist :

STOOOpp whining!
No one in here think they're anthropologist. If you don't like what they're talking about, then simply stay out of here, dude! I myself enjoy the discussion here. it's quite interesting really.
If you don't like it, get your butt out here! Friday, August 23, 2002 at 21:13:38 (PDT)

April 9, 2001 Newsweek
Japan Finds Its Seoul

By Hideko Takayama and Kay Itoi

"Okuhara began studying Korean and in 1997 designed a Web site dedicated to what he called 'Korea envy syndrome.' The site posts essays and travelogues that celebrate Korea's attributes"

"Korean movies and pop music attract millions of Japanese fans. Korean women are idealized for their beauty, men for their prowess as lovers. Seoul is beating out London and New York as this year's coolest vacation spot for Japanese tourists. Frustrated dotcomers gaze longingly at the entrepreneurial atmosphere that has transformed South Korea into the most-wired county in the world. 'Japan envies a South Korea that can change and is changing,' says Kan Kimura, an associate professor of Korean studies at Kobe University"

...
World Cup Korea/Japan Friday, August 23, 2002 at 20:56:14 (PDT)

I'm not racist, but there are too many of these deceitful Chinese people that you would never be able to get rid of them all.

Actually, that's been the joke for hundreds of years, now -- the Chinese eat anything with legs except tables and chairs!

An ancient travelogue even described restaurants in China which served human flesh. And every decade some case pops up in China today about restauranters cutting back costs by serving up the local funeral home's latest stock.

There's even been a well-received Hong Kong "Cat. III" film about one of the most recent.

Lu Xun used cannabalism as a most apt metaphor for the barbaric nature of China's Imperial heritage in his short story "Diary of A Madman."

http://www.aapn.org/xichang.html
http://www.missouri.edu/~jschool/nanking/Table/table.htm
http://prgcrt.org/china.htm
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0118/baard.shtml

It's no wonder that the blacks, the chinese and the muslims face the most hostility in the U.S. and all over the world.

regards.
'China' Named As Dogs Axis Of Evil Friday, August 23, 2002 at 18:12:39 (PDT)

Obviously you don't know very much. The Chinese (Taiwan) traditional food, dog meat, is still available in some advanced Asian countries like Singapore, South Korea and Japan (esp. Northern Hokkaido area), but you see those places who put meat outside (which is very Chinese), you know the owner is either Chinese or someone who is influenced by the Chinese people.

You can't call french fries a Korean or American just because it's widely available.
World Cup Korea/Japan Friday, August 23, 2002 at 17:56:55 (PDT)

Indian do not differ in their interpretation you are trying to create a controversy for nothing. All our epics and later Iranian epics speak and describe the Aryan race. The colour was and is from brown to white.
I might add the true Aryans the Indians will protect the weak and oppressed. I agree.
yayati Friday, August 23, 2002 at 16:29:45 (PDT)

To, the traveller and friends (mine and his);

Here are some links. I'm trying a different approach. This is a different approach, so i want everyone to read it, it's interesting.

1. http://www.inetsupermall.com/amazon_online_books.htm

You wanted the book that has the sinodonty statistics on asians. It's on that link, find the title of the book, then find it in the library, read briefly the statistics then put it back on the shelf. Now your satisfied. Only 30% of viets have sinodonty.

http://www.taiwan.com.au/Soccul/People/Findings/20010506.html

"A paragraph in Lin's book reads: "If the Fujianese insist that they are pure-bred Hans, then they will be deceiving themselves and showing their foolishness.""

That's what the scientists can conclude on what the old way of thinking was like.

"Lin: Taiwanese should look at themselves as native Min-Yueh, rather than Han from the northern part of China. I don't know to what extent the blood of Min-Yueh and Han people have become mixed, but, according to historical explanations published in China, Han from the north relocated to the south during the Chin Dynasty, but later moved back north. I believe in history, but I can't shed any light on the question of mixed blood from my material.

What I can say is that the genes of Taiwanese are different from those of the northern Han."

And important conclusion. It says that even though the taiwanese 'think' they are pure-breed han (which is even impossible in the north due to influence from other groups people), in reality, according to the genetics tests, they have very little in common to the han and more to the yueh.

2. http://www.wufi.org.tw/eng/linmalie.htm

"Taiwanese�, the major population group in Taiwan, are comprised of the Minnan and Hakka peoples in which constitute 73.5% and 17.5%, respectively, of the total population."

This is talking about the 91% of the taiwanese population here, not the aboriginal minority group.

"This corresponds historically with the fact that they are the descendants of the southeast coastal indigenous population (Yueh) of China and should therefore not be considered as descendants of "pure" northern Han Chinese."

This is basically the thesis of the study. It basically outlines what was found in the study.

"As the barbarian status of the Yueh gradually disappeared and they were finally given Han status in history, thus probably resulting in misinterpretation and erroneous self-assertion of present-day Minnan as �pure� descendants of the northern Han."

So there's the catalyst for the confusion where you start to think your han instead of what you really are.

"These genetic data indicate that the southern Han are basically of southern origin and remain genetically distinct from the northern Han."

Now there's the conclusion of the study. Southern han originate in the south and are distict GENETICALLY from the northern han. This is from a genetics test.

So there's ANOTHER descendent, proven by genetics, that was once thought to be han, but to new technology it has been found that they are WAY more related to the Yueh then they are to the Han. And yes the TAIWANESE do look MONGOLOID. Same case as the VIETNAEMSE.

3. http://www.wufi.org.tw/mail/m041502.htm

This is someones conclusion on the study from the link above on taiwanese.

4. http://www.taiwanheadlines.gov.tw/20010430/20010430s7.html

This is the news headline for the research above.

5. http://www.wayan.net/journal/america/apr_9.htm

That has some information on the Li Tribe of Hainan, also a claimed descendent to the Yueh. And yet they still look mongoloid.

6. http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/li/

More information on the Li Tribe.

7. http://www.taiwan.com.au/Soccul/People/Findings/20010430.html

Just another news cast.

8. http://www.hku.hk/hkprehis/summary.htm

This just has some information on the Yueh at the bottom.

Isn't that just evidence enough? GENETICS! There are MANY cases like the vietnamese, the more notable would be the TAIWANESE, who ALWAYS thought they were PURE han, but in reality they are Yueh (through genetics). If even they are yueh, and the look as mongoloid as you can get, then why can't the vietnamese (who also look mongoloid), be Yueh? From this proof, it can be concluded that the Yueh must have been mongoloid to have so many mongoloids (who through genetics are mostly Yueh, and are not Han or have little Han influence) descendents to claim lineage to them. It's genetics, can you explain the reason this for me?
Hafti Friday, August 23, 2002 at 16:07:06 (PDT)

[Stop using double and triple carriage returns. We actually have to take them out by hand. Future posts with excessive carriage returns will be omitted. --Ed]

To, the traveller;

"Funny, but if the Muong were to derive from the Dong Son and they have no Chinese influence, can someone tells me how do the Muong get the Han's last name? Further, the way how the Dong Son wore their clothing didn't look any similar the Muong (for description check out this website and read how the Dong Son wore their garments). Again, their no Chinese influence in the Muong. Now hafti, point to a website that stated that the Muong didn't have any influence from the Chinese, and that they retained 100% Dong Son culture. Or is it your believe again?"

The site is along with all those sites on that post i made. If you didn't read any of the links then SHUT UP, don't reply to my standpoint if you didn't even check the source. The Muong also share burial traditions similar to the Dong Son. Is that something like dying my hair blonde, and wearing jeans like you said? Even if you dye your hair blonde, and have a whole bunch of plastic surgery, when an archaelogist dig you up they can tell what parts are silicon, and also can tell that your hair was dyed.

Your getting a bit moody, kind of like a little girl.
Hafti Friday, August 23, 2002 at 12:02:31 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

And if you want me to prove the Yueh were mongoloid, maybe you should give me a scenario first. You yourself haven't given ANY LIABLE source for the Yueh to be mongoloid. NOPE! Give me one first.

I don't believe in the afrocentric sites. For one reason, they give EVERY significant discovery in asia to a negrito or negroid group. C'mon, they say the Yueh and Delta people supplied the people of the north with grain. Then adds a little line on something like 'and they were black'. Then they say that I Ching was created during the Shang by a black man. And yet even the chinese don't know when I Ching was exactly written, or by who. So how do they even know if they were black? And a whole bunch of historical mix ups. So go back and read it, i know you have a tendency to not read a persons post and still reply with ignorance and stupidity, so to end this i suggest you go back to read it.
Hafti Friday, August 23, 2002 at 11:44:39 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

"b) The introduction of this article (of www.anu.edu.au/asianstudies/south_china.html)
is about the Han migration to the South. It cleary stated the early pioneer immigrants were the Han."

That site actually talks about the inhabitants of the people of JiaoZhi where it does. It spoke of NOTHING of the han migrating there, or even of the han. All it says is that there were 3/4 million people in the area. And that the INHABITANTS, not just hans. And the person who made the census himself noted that when he made the census the majority of the inhabitants were non-chinese yue. So when the census was done, it was made on the inhabitants. And the yue were considered an inhabitant of the area to the chinese. Learn english it might help on reading.
Hafti Friday, August 23, 2002 at 11:32:11 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

"d) Why would the Han consider to mix themselves with the barbarian? And yet, nothing in this article mentioned about the registered Yueh. Case in point, Hafti is delusion."

Funny that you didn't read the entire article. Think of it like this. Even if that census didn't include the Yueh in that 3/4 million count. Sima Qian noted that there were more non-chinese yue around the area. So if the 3/4 million count didn't include the Yue, think of the Yue to have been of even GREATER number. Like i said, that source said, PEOPLE AND INHABITANTS. When the USA count inhabitants, it means the people as a whole, even when they didn't believe the Japanese to be humans they still counted them in the census.

Is it dillusional of you to not realize this? That site was talking MAINLY of the people of the commandery, NOT the soldiers only. If they were talking about the soldiers only, then why did Sima Qian note that there were more non-chinese yue? This means he counted the yue, and knows the number of yue's opposed to the number of han. So this is proof that he counted the yue.

"And yet, our delusional friend, Hafti, rebutted to the websites and got into one of those psychological moods, perhaps delusion, debating that the commandery was the Yueh population."

Funny, but Sima Qian (the REAL person who made the census, and not you), noted that in the commandary the majority were of the non-chinese yue. How can that even be mistaken?

"Funny, but if the Muong were to derive from the Dong Son and they have no Chinese influence, can someone tells me how do the Muong get the Han's last name?"

I DON'T recall any muongs holding any chinese last names. And if they do, remember the Y Chromosome test. It has been written CLEARLY in history that the muong stayed isolated in the mountains for thousands of years.

And everything else you said was of non-sense! Hahaha, wow, i said that the Dong Son were 100% ancestors to the modern viets? NO, i said that the Yueh are probably the MAIN ancestors, while the han and dong son run second or third.
"Lack of the chinese influence on the Muong? Look at how the muong dressed.

Give me the genetic of the Vietanmese, the Muong, and the Chinese...then we talk, and also the 30% of the sinodontoid in Vietnamese."

Yes i see how the Muong dressed. And no they don't dress like the han did even 2 thousand years ago.

AND READ MY POSTS! I already gave you the dates to the links. Press back to Aug 21, and RE-READ my standpoint. Your getting so dillusional it's not even funny. You said this, you said that. I didn't even imply it. And the site to the sinodonty go get it, i made a post on Aug 21 on where i posted it. So go to Aug 21, read ALL my posts, then do whatever it tells you (it will tell you another date where all the links i posted are) and read the sites.

Only 30% of viets are sinodonts, and that is in the dentistry book. READ IT, it can be picked up at a local library, just look at the data then put it back on the shelf.

And why haven't you ever actually posted a valid reply? I asked you to explain to me, if we all share similar names to the chinese (an indication of similar fathers by your ideology), then why do only 40% of viets on that tests show to have the chinese y chromosome? This indicates that we got the similar names not from the same father, but probably due to other means. So i don't believe that we are related just because of name. It has been proven genetically. It's ALL on that post.
Hafti Friday, August 23, 2002 at 11:29:13 (PDT)

To, look at more than one study!!!;

Hey, if you have another study can you provide the link please...

"d) Why would the Han consider to mix themselves with the barbarian? And yet, nothing in this article mentioned about the registered Yueh. Case in point, Hafti is delusion."

Funny that you didn't read the entire article. Think of it like this. Even if that census didn't include the Yueh in that 3/4 million count. Sima Qian noted that there were more non-chinese yue around the area. So if the 3/4 million count didn't include the Yue, think of the Yue to have been of even GREATER number. Like i said, that source said, PEOPLE AND INHABITANTS. When the USA count inhabitants, it means the people as a whole, even when they didn't believe the Japanese to be humans they still counted them in the census.

Is it dillusional of you to not realize this? That site was talking MAINLY of the people of the commandery, NOT the soldiers only. If they were talking about the soldiers only, then why did Sima Qian note that there were more non-chinese yue? This means he counted the yue, and knows the number of yue's opposed to the number of han. So this is proof that he counted the yue.

"And yet, our delusional friend, Hafti, rebutted to the websites and got into one of those psychological moods, perhaps delusion, debating that the commandery was the Yueh population."

Funny, but Sima Qian (the REAL person who made the census, and not you), noted that in the commandary the majority were of the non-chinese yue. How can that even be mistaken?

"Funny, but if the Muong were to derive from the Dong Son and they have no Chinese influence, can someone tells me how do the Muong get the Han's last name?"

I DON'T recall any muongs holding any chinese last names. And if they do, remember the Y Chromosome test. It has been written CLEARLY in history that the muong stayed isolated in the mountains for thousands of years.

And everything else you said was of non-sense! Hahaha, wow, i said that the Dong Son were 100% ancestors to the modern viets? NO, i said that the Yueh are probably the MAIN ancestors, while the han and dong son run second or third.

"Lack of the chinese influence on the Muong? Look at how the muong dressed.

Give me the genetic of the Vietanmese, the Muong, and the Chinese...then we talk, and also the 30% of the sinodontoid in Vietnamese."

Yes i see how the Muong dressed. And no they don't dress like the han did even 2 thousand years ago.

AND READ MY POSTS! I already gave you the dates to the links. Press back to Aug 21, and RE-READ my standpoint. Your getting so dillusional it's not even funny. You said this, you said that. I didn't even imply it. And the site to the sinodonty go get it, i made a post on Aug 21 on where i posted it. So go to Aug 21, read ALL my posts, then do whatever it tells you (it will tell you another date where all the links i posted are) and read the sites.

Only 30% of viets are sinodonts, and that is in the dentistry book. READ IT, it can be picked up at a local library, just look at the data then put it back on the shelf.

And why haven't you ever actually posted a valid reply? I asked you to explain to me, if we all share similar names to the chinese (an indication of similar fathers by your ideology), then why do only 40% of viets on that tests show to have the chinese y chromosome? This indicates that we got the similar names not from the same father, but probably due to other means. So i don't believe that we are related just because of name. It has been proven genetically. It's ALL on that post.
Hafti Friday, August 23, 2002 at 11:28:14 (PDT)

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