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Hafti posted: "I don't know about that higher nose bridge thing. I know WAY more people who have a relatively high nose bridge from what is thought of an average vietnamese. WAY more people. And they're as pure blooded viet as you can get. "
actually,if you go to beijing, then later to Vietnam, it would seem obvious they have higher nose than vietnamese alittle like iranian nose but of course not get close to being as huge. i'm not sure if they have been mixed w/ caucasians, but the epicanthic fold contradicts that (85% of northen chinese have epicanthic fold).

you see more Northern chinese in average w/ higher nose than you do koreans,southern chinese, japanese, vietnamese.
That is not to say vietnamese have flat nose,on average northen chinese have taller nose.southern vietnamese tend to have shorter nose w/ wide nostrils. vietnamese in general have average sized nose which i think is good looking. cos a big nose would certainly ruin the finess of a delicate face.
high nose doesn't always equal beauty Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 03:53:03 (PDT)

From iran:

the mongoloid mixiing is not merely the result of neighboring population interbreeding w/ iranians in the remote corners. quite a few times conquers from East Asia swept through Iran. Raping, marriage btw chinese official w/ local women hence a proportion of east asian mixed iranians. i tend to think that's the main reason.the mixed ones are surely not only existant in 'remote' corners.
Kay Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 03:09:20 (PDT)

The traveller:

about the taiwanese genetic study website i found not long ago, i still remember clearly the site actually did mention about the yuehs. there ws one paragragh it talks about about Gou Jian- the yueh King fighting the Wu during the Autumn spring period. It sure did mention about the yueh being ancestry of southern chinese.however i'm too lazy to rummage through the page to find that site again.
K Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 03:03:39 (PDT)

traveller:

just thinking. Han is a name given to a northern mongoloid race. so what is the original name of the southern mo,goloid race which are the southern chinese and viets? minna, hakka, cantonese are under the same yueh classification.

you are contradicting yourself again. you've said viets look a lot like northern chinese,now you opinion turn upside down when you say thhey are southern mongoloid.

"And don't confuse that the northern Chinese are the true Han, they could be a Mongolian subgroup also.
"

so are you saying northern chinese are 100 % Mongol? s***...no comment. i've seen both mongol and han and the truh is viets(northern) for the most part don't look like mongol nor Han.
yueh are not 100 % negritos Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 01:35:50 (PDT)

"So prove to me that the original "Yueh", 4000 years ago, were a 100% mongoloid race. "

u idiot. no one said yueh are 100 % mongoloid. what i said only contradicts your afirmation that yueh are 100 % negrito. i Žin't make it clear since i said yueh are mongoloid, but they are not 100 % austro/malay as you prematurely assumed earlier on.

just look at the modern vietnamese. even those who look mongoloid (light skinned, single-fold eyelids) don't come close to looking like Northern chinese who obviously have physical differences compared to Mongoloians. Mongols are stocky, somewhat darker-skinned, other differences...
yueh Monday, August 26, 2002 at 22:29:43 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

The jing are actually vietnamese people who migrated into china a while back. Even if Jing doesn't mean Kinh, the people are the Kinh who moved to china just a while back.

http://www.paulnoll.com/min-Jing.html
Hafti Monday, August 26, 2002 at 19:42:18 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

Evidence from; http://www.wufi.org.tw/eng/linmalie.htm

"The phylogenetic tree constructed from D, as shown in Fig. 2, reveals that Minnan and Hakka merge together and cluster with Thai-Chinese and Singapore Chinese. This group also forms a cluster with the neighboring groups of Thais, Vietnamese and Buyi, and another group of Southern Han and Miao, thus forming a southern Asian cluster.

That shows a cluster of southern asians. It says that the Minnan, Hakka, thai-chinese, singapore chinese, vietnamese, buyi and thais cluster in the same group. There is where it says that we are close relatives.

"Li is a separate entity, while Northern Han, Hui, Man, Mongolians, Buriat, Uygur, Kazakhs, Korean, Japanese and Orochon form a northern Asian cluster."

The northern han ARE the true han. Think of what the historical han looks like, and all of those ethnic groups fit almost perfectly. It can't be denied.

"The genetic mixture of Southern Hanren
with national minorities has advanced to the point that the genetic
distance between a particular Southern Han population and a
neighboring minority may be shorter that the genetic distance between
two particular neighboring Han populations."

If you read this, it says that the han living around minority groups have more genetic similarities then they do with other han. What does this suggest? That they have more minority blood and less han.

So if the taiwanese aren't han, we aren't also. Simple as that. This site has a lot of foreign back-up studies.

1. Lin M, Chu LL, Lee HL et al. Heterogeneity of Taiwan's indigenous population: possible relation to prehistoric Mongoloid dispersals. Tissue Antigens 2000: 55: 1 - 9.

2. Imanishi T, Akaza T, Kimura A et al. Allele and haplotype frequencies for HLA and complement loci in various ethnic groups. In: Tsuji K, Aizawa M, Sasazuki T, eds. HLA 1991. Proceedings of the 11th International Histocompatibility Workshop and Conference. Vol 1. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1992: 1067 - 74, 1141 - 9.

3. Nei M. Genetic variation within species. In: Molecular evolutionary genetics. New York: Columbia University Press, 1987: 220 - 1.

4. Nei M. Tajima F, Tateno Y. Accuracy of estimated phylogenetic trees from molecular data. II. Gene frequency data. J Mol Evol 1983: 19: 153 - 70.

5. Imanishi T, Akaza T, Kimura A et al. Estimation of allele and haplotype frequencies for HLA and complement loci. In: Tsuji K, Aizawa M, Sasazuki T, eds. HLA 1991. Proceedings of the 11th International Histocompatibility Workshop and Conference. Vol 1. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1992: 76 - 9.

6. Saitou N, Nei M. The neighbor joining method: a new method for reconstructing phylogenetic trees. Mol Biol Evol 1987: 4: 406 - 25.

7. Shaw CK, Chen LL, Lee A, Lee TD. Distribution of HLA gene and haplotype frequencies in Taiwan: a comparative study among Min-nan, Hakka, aborigines and mainland Chinese.Tissue Antigens 1999: 53: 51 - 64.

8. Tokunaga K, Imanishi T, Takahashi K, Juji T. On the origin and dispersal of East Asian populations as viewd from HLA haplotypes. In: Akazawa T, Szathmary EJ, eds. Prehistoric Mongoloid Dispersals. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1996: 187 - 97.

9. Tanaka H, Tokunaga K, Inoko H et al. Distribution of HLA-A, B, and DRB1 alleles and haplotypes in Northeast Asia. In: Charron D, ed. Proceedings of the 12th International Histocompatibility Workshop and Conference. Vol 1. Paris: EDK, 1997: 285 - 91.

10. Park MH, Hwang YS, Park KS et al. HLA haplotypes in Koreans based on 107 families. Tissue Antigens 1998: 51: 347 - 55.

11. Chandanayingyong D, Bejrachandra S, Kunachiwa W et al. HLA in the Thai population. Proceedings of 10th Regional Congress of the International Society of Blood Transfusion Western Pacific Region. Taipei, 1999: 102 - 9.

12. Lee TD, Zhao TM, Mickey K et al. The polymorphism of HLA antigens in the Chinese. Tissue Antigens 1988: 12: 188 - 208.

13. Inoue T, Ogawa A, Tokunaga K et al. Diversity of HLA-B17 alleles and haplotypes in East Asians and a novel Cw6 allele (Cw*0604) associated with B*5701.Tissue Antigens 1999: 53: 534 - 44.

14. Chen RB, Zhao TM, Ye YG et al. Joint reprot on Mainland Chinese HLA polymorphism. In: Aizawa M, ed, HLA in Asia-Oceania: Proceedings of the 3rd Asia-Oceania Histocompatibility Workshop and Conference. 1986: 224 - 30.

15. Chen RB, Ye GY, Geng ZC et al. HLA polymorphism of the principal minority nationalities in mainland China. In: Tsuji K, Aizawa M, Sasazuki T, eds. HLA 1991. Proceedings of the 11th International Histocompatibility Workshop Conference. Vol 1. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1992: 676 - 9.

16. An Chih-min. Pei-li-kang, Tzu-shan, ho Yang-shao-shih lun Chung-Yuan hsin shih-Chi wen-hua ti Yuan-Yuan Chi fa-chan. Kao-ku 1979: 4: 335 - 46.

17. Lin Hui-Shiang. Chuon Kuo ming Chu shi. Taipei: Taiwan Commercial Press, 1936.

18. Chang KC. The archaeology of ancient China. 3rd edition New Haven: Yale University Press, 1977.

19. Meacham W. Origins and development of the Yueh coastal Neolithic: A microcosm of culture change of the mainland of East Asia. In: Keightly DK, ed. The origins of Chinese civilization. Berkeley, CA: University of California Press, 1981.

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22. Matsumoto H. Characteristics of Mongoloid and neighboring populations based on the genetic markers of human immunoglobulins. Hum Genet 1988: 80: 207 - 18.
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Most of the studies were done by the japanese and chinese. If your a good reader (which your not) then they would be good reads.
Hafti Monday, August 26, 2002 at 19:22:01 (PDT)

To, the traveller;

"The modern Vietnamese are a mixture of race, but mainly of a southern mongoloid race. And don't confuse that the northern Chinese are the true Han, they could be a Mongolian subgroup also."

Where does it say in the genetics test that the northern chinese are a mongolian subgroup? Haven't you checked the Y Chromosome tests where the Y Chromosome is definitely shared, but the mongols have a lesser frequency of it, showing some intermixing but different ancestry (through the father).

"Today's Minnan, Yue and other sothern Chinese are an admixture of the Hanren(Han) and the local aborigines(Malay-polynesian/Austronesian), as described by Hafti's website"

Actually, my website DOESN'T say anything about the Yueh being a descendent to the aborigines and the Han. You might want to take a quote from that site before you misinterpret it.

"Again, prove to me that Trieu Da was an Hakka."

Did you read anything i wrote? It is written in history, and Trieu Da is considered a Hakka by the Hakka community.

http://www.asiawind.com/hakka/history.htm

"Nothing in this website mentioned about the "Viet", it only described the Viet Muong, in which they are considered as a minority ethnic in Vietnam."

FUNNY, actually Viet Muong includes both the vietnamese and the muong. But here's the confirmation.

"Hakka also have close "relatives" from
other southern aboriginal groups such as Mulao, Zhuang, Dong, Jing,
Miao, Bouyei, and Shui."

I'm sure that Jing means Kinh.

About the book, here's some info on the book (go search up the title in your local library);

"The foremost expert in the Sinodonty and Sundadonty dichotomy is Christy Turner II of Arizona State University. He has written a book called "The Anthropology of Modern Human Teeth: Dental Morphology and Its Variation in Recent Human Populations (Cambridge Studies in Biological and Evolutionary Anthropology) with some pictures showing both types of upper incisors. He has compiled plenty of data from different peoples around the world."

1. http://www.taiwan.com.au/Soccul/People/Findings/20010506.html
"A paragraph in Lin's book reads: "If the Fujianese insist that they are pure-bred Hans, then they will be deceiving themselves and showing their foolishness.""

That's what the scientists can conclude on what the old way of thinking was like.

"Lin: Taiwanese should look at themselves as native Min-Yueh, rather than Han from the northern part of China. I don't know to what extent the blood of Min-Yueh and Han people have become mixed, but, according to historical explanations published in China, Han from the north relocated to the south during the Chin Dynasty, but later moved back north. I believe in history, but I can't shed any light on the question of mixed blood from my material.

What I can say is that the genes of Taiwanese are different from those of the northern Han."

And important conclusion. It says that even though the taiwanese 'think' they are pure-breed han (which is even impossible in the north due to influence from other groups people), in reality, according to the genetics tests, they have very little in common to the han and more to the yueh.

2. http://www.wufi.org.tw/eng/linmalie.htm
"Taiwanese, the major population group in Taiwan, are comprised of the Minnan and Hakka peoples in which constitute 73.5% and 17.5%, respectively, of the total population."

This is talking about the 91% of the taiwanese population here, not the aboriginal minority group.

"This corresponds historically with the fact that they are the descendants of the southeast coastal indigenous population (Yueh) of China and should therefore not be considered as descendants of "pure" northern Han Chinese."

This is basically the thesis of the study. It basically outlines what was found in the study.

"As the barbarian status of the Yueh gradually disappeared and they were finally given Han status in history, thus probably resulting in misinterpretation and erroneous self-assertion of present-day Minnan as pure descendants of the northern Han."

So there's the catalyst for the confusion where you start to think your han instead of what you really are, which is Yueh.

"These genetic data indicate that the southern Han are basically of southern origin and remain genetically distinct from the northern Han."

Now there's the conclusion of the study. Southern han originate in the south and are distict GENETICALLY from the northern han. This is from a genetics test.

3. http://www.wufi.org.tw/mail/m041502.htm ; This is someones conclusion on the study from the link above on taiwanese.

4. http://www.taiwanheadlines.gov.tw/20010430/20010430s7.html ; This is the news headline for the research above.

5. http://www.taiwan.com.au/Soccul/People/Findings/20010430.html ; Just another news cast.

6. http://www.hku.hk/hkprehis/summary.htm ; This just has some information on the Yueh at the bottom.

NOTE: Your going through a HUGE state of denial. The Han are the people who came from the north, the people who have originated from the Yellow emperor. What makes you think that the northern Han aren't the real Hans? LOL, what makes you think that the southern Han have a much higher chance of being Han then the people who are Han? You suggest that the people of the south mixed with aborigines that's why they don't show any Han influence in the genes, BUT this only proves that the aboriginal population was WAY larger then that of the Han. So we should now consider ourselves aboriginals of the south. Your tongue is weak. Your words also.

1-6 are 6 different sites that i presented before, i made a summary of them since you didn't even read the sites last time. READ THEM!

The hoklo, viets and hakka still hold the full sets of Yueh genes as described by scientists. Even though genetics is new, this stuff can be examined by this stage. Evidence is evidence, when technology advances there will only be even more evidence.

Like i said, CAN YOU prove that Yueh were black without an afrocentric site? NO, so try!
Hafti Monday, August 26, 2002 at 18:49:43 (PDT)

Current theory is that the original Eurasian population went to SE Asia first, then migrated north into China.
But after that, they quickly became isolated due to geographical reasons.
A seperate population took the northern route into Siberia and eventually the Americas.

Also the genetic contribution of the so called Caucasian race to China is only limited to northwest China and not that much.
Chinese dude Monday, August 26, 2002 at 18:26:17 (PDT)

To, Just Watching;

That site was a historical site, it was there to let you see what happened throughout the history of the Hakka. In one of my posts, i said that the Hakka has always considered themselves Han, to the point of calling themselves, "pure han". That is supported by the asiawind.com site, the part where they think they are pure han.

The point i was trying to get across was that genetics say that they are Yueh, but they think they are Han. So what makes the traveller so sure that the Viets aren't Yueh? A group who are actually historically associated with the Yueh, and in those tests, and also genetically associated with the Yueh.
Hafti Monday, August 26, 2002 at 18:09:36 (PDT)

unfortunately for you outsiders (foreigners) on this forum your views have no impact. the aryan indian civilization is immune to pshycological propaganda. most indians are pure aryans though we have a 8% population of australoids spread all over bharat. be it a aryan or australoid we are all indians and are a superior civilization, to whom all civilizations look up to with respect. indians do not care for any one.
yayati Monday, August 26, 2002 at 15:07:59 (PDT)

we love all humans but we Indians are the purest Aryans. There can be no controversy on this issue.

Iranians are mixed-breeds.
yayati Monday, August 26, 2002 at 15:04:17 (PDT)

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