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COMPARING ASIAN NATIONALITIES
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Hafti,

The data actually shows a north-south gradient in Asia where the frequency of genes GRADUALLY changes. Two poles are generated as interpretations, cutting the continuous picture into two parts. For example: 80% in Indonesia, 70% in Thailand, 60% in Vietnam, 50% in Canton, 40% south of the Yantze, 30% north of it, 20% in Korea. This is what the data shows if you look at the raw data. This is the bottom line.
This graduality shows up in any given direction, from Asia to Europe, from the Middle East to Africa. There are no Viet genes or Cantonese genes or Arabic genes or north Chinese genes. Is that so hard to understand?
Another thing is that you seem to think that there are these masses of genes out there that make people different. The differences emphasized are actually proportionally times and times smaller than the genetic commonalities. It's like being obsessed with the different frequencies in blood type AB between northern and southern U.S. whites.
In fact, in the overall picture of genetic distances, Asians are relatively close to each other genetically even at the two extreme ends. Check out http://www25.brinkster.com/humanraces/calc/.
This is just one of many reference points. I beg you to stop scarring this poll with your half-delusional mumblings. I like to check out this page sometimes but your "15 minutes of fame" ramblings can become too much to bare.
Sean Monday, September 02, 2002 at 09:41:21 (PDT) [68.14.94.53]

Hafti,
again, there are no weird genes out there that are only found in SE Asia, or any where else.

"from the Yueh (or genes only found in southern china and among those who claim ancestry to the Yueh),"

You DON'T even understand what the data says. It's hopeless.
Sean Monday, September 02, 2002 at 09:17:55 (PDT) [68.14.94.53]

Hafti,
Your logic is seriously faulty and you should think stuff over before you write it.You wrote,
"Has migrational routes been so convenient to the point where all the 'true han' left the north and didn't pass on these genes to their supposed children,"
First of all, the genetic tests are highly unstable and can come up with contradictory data. This is because they are gotten through models, which predicts and categorize sample results of not only populations but sample parts of a person's whole genetic make-up.
Second, no one has said this. All the genes in the south exist in various frequencies in north. In fact their are population pockects in north China that cluster closer to south Chinese and even Cambodians than they do to their neighbors.
Then you said,
"whichwhile occupying all the territory of which was Yueh and somehow got those 'han' genes into the gene pool of those who claim to be Yueh descendents."
There would be a descrepancy if southern Chinese claimed to be Yueh descendents, but they don't. It is obvious that the local population would contribute significantly to any present population. This is true. But all that says is just that. None of these assumptions of yours, sometimes made up, can tell how much of the genetic contribution originated from the north.
If Taiwanese 200 years from now claim they were aboriginal islanders Sinicized, would that be true because because they occupy the same land as a previous population? Are Americans all Americans Indians then? If American Indians migrated to Mexico and preserved their culture and genetic patterns, are they less pure than the blond and blue-eyed Indians on the reservations? These are dramatizations, but they illustrate the open-endedness of the data you can't master in the first place. I really don't care if Vietnamese are related to Indonesians or what not or what Chinese is related to what. But you have made a whole delusional world for yourself with half made-up facts and faulty interpretations, not to mention the contradictions that are eye sores, or should I say mind sores.
Sean Monday, September 02, 2002 at 09:13:46 (PDT) [68.14.94.53]

For "questions asked"

To answer your question, filipinos can actually be classified in many different categories. I personally disagree with all the categorizing that American culture imposes on people and for an American to classify a Filipino will be very difficult.

Filipinos come in all shapes, sizes, and ethnic backgrounds. Filipinos learn that the natives of the Philippines are related to the Malays and Indonesians. However, over centuries of contact with foreigners, filipinos have intermarried with the Chinese, the Spanish, the Mexicans, and the Americans. So nowadays, it's hard to tell what a filipino is. Obviously, if you are familar with filipinos and the culture, you can see many similar traits among filipinos regardless of physical features.

If filipinos have been categorized as Mongoloids, that statement is incorrect. However there are many filipinos with some Chinese ancestry and most of them hold high positions in society, just like those of Spanish ancestry.

Throughout filipino history, filipinos have categorized themselves as many different things and the identity has changed as well. A filipino was originally a Spaniard born in the Philippines and then as the years went by, filipino mestizos were born, so were chinese mestizos, which are mixed Spanish-Filipino, Spanish-Chinese. But then all the other indigenous ethnic groups began calling themselves filipinos and thus, you have filipinos that look like chinese, like malaysians, like mexicans, and some like Caucasians or half-something??

I think the best mix of filipinos are those of Spanish mixed with Malay or Chinese descent (no offense to other filipinos, but its reality!). Today in the Philippines, you're either a filipino or non-filipino and popular culture dictates its ideal to be mestizo or western looking, just like in America it is ideal to be blond. Just as ethnic minorities in America are subtly discriminated against or shut out from mainstream, ethnic minorities and indigenous groups in the Philippines are too.

Filipinos are very diverse and complicated, so if you encounter a person that looks Asian and acts very strangely, its probably a filipino. Believe me, I'm part filipino and we're a very strange group of people :)

I would say about 90% are mostly Malay-Polynesian and the other 10% is Other - chinese, spanish, american, etc. But I can't even tell anymore, but who cares, we're all people!

Gypsie King.
Gypsie King Monday, September 02, 2002 at 01:27:32 (PDT) [24.243.208.107]

thai girl, have you ever seen a northern Chinese? There can be notably greater facial topography, sometimes significantly more facial hair, bushier eye brows, ligher skin, greater height and build.

Sean: The Shang dynasty was focused around Shandong province.

The three main locales of Chinese civilization were along the central portions of the Huang he, the Long Shan region (in Shandong province), and in southern Jiangsu.

Genetically, the spread is from south to north in Asia.
chinatown Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 23:30:43 (PDT) [67.98.161.127]

To: No Corona

Yes a minority of Filipinos are not just a mix of Spanish and Mexican, but also other foreign nationalities too (Americans, Chinese). Even Filipinos do not even know the origins of their culture. The Philippines apparently was governed through Mexico, which seemed logical for the Spaniards because that was the only way they knew how to get to Asia over 400 years ago. So a bunch of Spaniards born in Mexico as well as Mexican indians made the Philippines their new home.

Yes, indeed the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans are proud of their ethnicity. Unlike the Filipinos, who have a love/hate relationship with their identity, due to their history, east Asians have an ancient history and have tried to avoid contact with the west. The Japanese tried to wipe out all Westerners living in the Philippines during the WWII, so any trace of Spanish blood is left to genetics and certain regions of the country. Most Spaniards fled the country and repatriated back to Spain.
Today, China has nuclear missiles aimed at the Philippines, just in case the west, especially Americans, get too close to their doorstep.

As student of Latin American Studies and Spanish Literature and part Filipino myself, I found that the identity crisis that plagues most Filipinos can be resolved if Filipinos study their history from a Hispanic perspective, instead of as a colonial-minded victim of both Spain and the US.

Although the native filipinos did try to resist the Spaniards when they came, it was the hispanic culture passed down from Spain over a 300 year time period that gave birth to the filipino identity and culture.

The Americans just fucked everything up, like everything else they do! The Spanish are more humane and accept people for who they are. Well, they conquered Latin America through raping and pillaging the Indian villages, but they didn't wipe out the entire indian race as the fucking Anglo-Americans did.

I know there's a lot of hostility against many filipinos, because in reality some of them are really stupid!

But for non-filipino Asians who find us to be arrogant and too proud, just be lucky you don't have an identity crisis. You can't be confused for some other nationality or race. Before, I didn't mind being confused for a Mexican, but now those fucking chicanos get on my nerves.

You know, I can't help not being Spanish enough, nor Asian; I guess that makes one a Filipino.

Viva la Hispanidad Filipina!
Gypsie King Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 22:03:49 (PDT) [24.243.208.107]

",and places like Beijing,Shanxi, Gansu were basically frontiers. "
Sean.

so you 're saying the classical northern frontier stretch to p;aces like beijing, gansu, aren't you? for the record, i never said the territory include manchuria and even mongolia. the north is limited to beiing, gansu, certainly not Henan. that alone makes a difference.

"It would seem hard to explain that southern aboriginals adopted northern slang speach while the northern populations lost it, along with a whole lot of other things.). "

what are the whole lot other things you talk about? the chinese assimilation is a 2 way process. the south influenced the north and vice versa. of course, the north lost some od their cultural twists due to conquering and assimilation by the Mongols AND Manchus.
the gene pool and culture in the north are more greatly mixed w/ mongol ,manchurian in comparision with the south.
k Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 21:25:43 (PDT) [203.162.19.170]

To, Sean;

Actually it's not impossible to share non of the genetic markers. Like mutations have been found within a population, and if your a child to someone with the mutated gene you would also have it. This would be an indication of relations.

You don't seem to have any sources, may you please provide some sources please. It seems like you have enough time on your hands to make things up, are there genetic studies which says that the Han is composed of 50% of foreign genes. So far you have no proof.

Even if the 50% of the Han genes are foreign, there is still 50% Han genes. Then why don't the Yueh descendents don't even hold some of these remaining Han genes? Genetic markers like mutations, indegineous genes, and much much more indications are slowly being discovered.

Anthropological studies in china has been banned for thirty years, and only after the re-establishment of research facilities on this matter was accepted in the 1980's was there any indications of a separate northern and southern origin.
Recent biological data including immunoglobulin, human lymphocyte antigen, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase mutants, thalassemia mutants, and microsatellite all indicate separate origins of the southern and northern mongoloid populations. The northern population is called Han, and the locally indegineous genes of the south is attributed to the Yueh.

If you don't believe in genetics and biology then sure. Little sentences like "there is atleast a 50% foreign contribution to the han gen" doesn't really prove much at all. Why? These 'han' are collective hans from across china. From Henan, Beijing, Shanghai, Shandong and much much more. They find out what is common among the hans, and see if it corresponds with what the Yueh descendents have. And so far, no there is very little similarities. And to genetics, Yueh genes have been shown to usually be only carried by those who are supposedly Yueh (including those who live in the areas once belonging to the Yueh, and those who claim ancestry to the Yueh).

It could be a totally different ethnic group of which we got these genes rather then the Yueh. But through obvious reasons, since the genes are logcalized in the matter described (connected to the Yueh migrations and those who claim ancestry to them) it is believed that these genes were Yueh.

When i say genes, i don't mean that because we have different markers we are closer to apes, or we are closer to lizards. These genes are like little markers which evolve separately and shows relations between modern groups of people, and ancient groups of people.

Like sinodonty is a northern gene. Sinodonty is passed down from parent to child. If the southern chinese are truly Han (a northern gene which mutated about 18 thousand years ago) then those who are descendents to the sinodonts should also have sinodonts. Simple.

If you don't understand genetics then be don't speak too much on how it's effecting the debate, you seem to be not making too much of an impact youself. "Oh there were 50% foreign genes in the northern han" well so what, the northern hans aren't the only ones who were tested, it includes hans of different regions, and those who were believed to be han, but later found to have little similarities with the other hans at all. Like the Hakka and Minnan.
Simple? I don't care what the northern han has, it is what they have collectively and what they share with other groups is what counts.

To, the traveller;

We both have established our standpoint, and it is useless to try to convince the other of what we think we know. So let time answer this question, soon genetics will be a stronger field, and maybe the tests will be cheaper to do then today. This in turn might convince more scientists to study history with science.
Hafti Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 16:21:12 (PDT) [142.59.36.71]

thai girl,

Northerners have longer faces than Southerners. It's usually nose and chin which make it like that.

Btw, since Chinese is a tonal language (Cantonese has 8 tones!), there must also be lots of Dai admixture in the Chinese South since all the non-Chinese tonal speakers are in or around the Chinese South and Chinese Daoism is an invention of the Daic Chuang tribe.
rare stuff Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 15:28:05 (PDT) [62.158.89.80]

"not Indo-European nor Ural-Altaic",

Ketic must be a very ancient strain because it seems to be isolated somewhere at the Yenisey, thus I use to compare Kets with Ainus and Northwest Coast Amerindians (Tlingit, Haida, Tsimshian). -Altaic on the other hand is a "young" language group, so Ketic can be seen as pre-Altaic.- The reason for the comparison of Kets with Ainus and Northwestern Amerindians is that they all have in common that they represent a pre-Altaic strain of HAIRY Mongolids. (Meanwhile the whites stereotype us Mongolids as people without body-hair.)

If the thesis is that Chinese/Daic derived from Tibetan and Tibetan from Ketic, it can be supported by the anthropological fact that Ketic men have almost always abundant beards, Tibetans sometimes, Han/Dai rarely or never. So the beard growth decreases over the stages of this gradual racial devolopment.
rare stuff Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 15:04:03 (PDT) [62.158.89.80]

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