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"Actually it's not impossible to share none of the genetic markers. Like mutations have been found within a population, and if your a child to someone with the mutated gene you would also have it. This would be an indication of relations."

Hafti, it is not impossible to distinguish between to distinct human beings. Each will have unique variations of genes. The population is another story, because a genetic mutation doesn't occur over the whole population; genetic mutations can only be passed down through mutations in the sperm and egg and it doesn't happen that often, certainly not to the extent that whole populations are marked by genes. Also, mutation happens across populations so that although genes causing sickle cell anemia is prevalent in Africa, but also occurs in every other race.
YOU ARE MIXING TWO CONCEPTS TOGETHER: "Like mutations have been found within a population, and if your a child to someone with the mutated gene you would also have it." Do you see that? One minute you are on populations, the next you are on a child. Population dynamics and individual mutations work on totally different principles and what you described, one populaton mutating their genes, doesn't occur in nature. I might address the Y-Chromosome and mitocondria DNA in the future. But sooner or later I 'll have to let you ramble on. There is no end in arguing with a person with fractured logic.
Sean Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 09:10:23 (PDT) [68.14.94.53]

"the north is limited to beiing, gansu, certainly not Henan. that alone makes a difference."

K, Henan is north China, infact the cradle of Chinese civilization. Gansu, even to this day, is an arid place that is a hub of minority ethnic groups. In earliest times of Chinese recorded history, it was roamed by the Xiongnu or Huns and cultivated by Sinicized Huns. Chinese penetration was partial at best. Later on, it would be part of Chinese culture-based kingdoms established by nomads.
"the gene pool and culture in the north are more greatly mixed w/ mongol ,manchurian in comparision with the south."

There were never any Mongols that mixed with Chinese in sufficient numbers. Manchurian mixtures only occur in significant numbers in isolated places, like Beijing. Most of the foreign contribution came from populations who settled in China, became Sinicized and multiplied. The first were the Huns. Half of them were absorbed by the Chinese and the remaining migrated Westward. There are numerous Turkic groups such as the Toba. There were a lot of nomadic groups who settled and ruled N. China with forgotten names such as Tangut and Jurchen. The Mongols and Manchus are well known because they established dynasties over the whole of China.
Just assume I get my info. from actual sources. I did a lot of strenuous reading when I was in high school, having no life and a lot of time on my hands. I can't keep on restating what I say in my posts, so I 'm not going to debate you next time.
Sean Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 08:46:38 (PDT) [68.14.94.53]

"Sean: The Shang dynasty was focused around Shandong province.

The three main locales of Chinese civilization were along the central portions of the Huang he, the Long Shan region (in Shandong province), and in southern Jiangsu."

Not true. You're mixing proto-Chinese prehistoric culture with the Shang, which is a specific civilization originating in Henan province. There, you have the first Chinese cities, which are now little-known towns with a lot of historical stuff buried beneath.

There are now recognized several centers of Chinese civilization. What you said above covers one prehistoric area that can be grouped together. There is also a cultural center below the Yangtze R. which centered on cultivating rice, built its houses on stilts, and was ocean-going. It is kind of an extentsion or precursor to SE Asian cultures but has also contributed to Chinese culture: rice, dragon boat racing, creation myths... Another center is a recently unearthed civilization, although historically recorded. It is pronounced Shu in Mandarin. They basically developed independently of each other and merged. Maybe this is why in Chinese ancestor legends, the Hua are descended from two tribes instead of one, which is usually the scenerio across cultures(the Han is later name of a dynasty which is adopted by some Chinese but not all of them use it; Hua, pronounced in Mandarin and sounds significantly different from dialect to dialect, is the original term of the ethnic/tribal group; it is the most widely accepted/inclusive term) .
Sean Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 08:23:21 (PDT) [68.14.94.53]

To, Sean;

Do you seriously think that three or more different types of genetic testings would show up with errors, which all coincidentally support the same idea? I don't think it's coincidence.

There are no 'weird' genes, and since when did i say there were? My wording might have not been perfect, but what i was meaning my Yueh genes were those which are characteristics of the Yueh. Like a mutation of some sort that indicates difference in origin to a certain point. Everyone so far can be traced back to africa, what i was talking about is if you can be traced back to the Yueh or the Han. The Yueh and Han were separated from eachother for a while, and how their bodies develope and adapt to fit their environment would be different from eachother. These indications would be a start.
Hafti Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 06:25:27 (PDT) [142.59.79.119]

rare stuff: the fact we are stereotyped as hairless is not a shame/insult. it sure is a sexy edge we have over other races ;)
for the record, the ainu are said to be of austronesian /melanesian race, and even have a great admixture w/ russian caucasian. of course modern ainus don't look much different from japanese and it's not easy to stumble uon a modern ainu w/ abundant hair nowaday.
k Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 06:10:25 (PDT) [203.162.121.116]

I find Filipino women to be the most beautiful in personallity and physical beauty. I think this is because of the mixture of malay, chinese, and spanish blood. Filipinos are a mixture of oriental, pacific islander and hispanic blood.
hugsome hugsome@yahoo.com Monday, September 02, 2002 at 22:08:15 (PDT) [64.170.52.105]

Gypsie King,

thanks for the answer, but i would be careful about what u post because on this board you will be bashed.
questions answered Monday, September 02, 2002 at 16:56:58 (PDT) [172.171.44.201]

Sean,

You have always proved yourself to be plain WEIRD. Every comment you have ever made has been WEIRD. You complain alot, and you never really have validity to back up your arguments. You are a complaining individual. Do you ever relax? Or do you live to say that people never understand you, and are all hopeless? Yes Sean, everyone on this earth is hopeless except for you, right?
smarty pants Monday, September 02, 2002 at 16:25:33 (PDT) [205.188.208.102]

Mind you I am just guestamating here!

Beauty & niceness is everywhere!

Right?
Terry Mc terrymccombs@yahoo.com Monday, September 02, 2002 at 16:24:30 (PDT) [209.240.198.61]

Gypsy King,
Hispanic culture did not give birth to the filipino identity. The people in the archipeligo had a culture and heritage long before the Spaniards came to the islands. Visit the Philippines and spend some time with the Manobos, Ifugaos, Yakans, Lumads, Bajaos, T'bolis, Aetas, and tell me if they resemble anything hispanic.

The Spanish were more humane than the Americans? That's like saying Ted Bundy was more humane than Jeffrey Dohmer because he killed less people and didn't eat them. I fail to see your reasoning.

FACT: Native Malays were suppose to be citizens of Spain. By law Malays and other ethnic groups were supposed to be on equal ground with Spaniards. However, that was not the case. The Spaniards in the Philippines did not practice what they preached. The Spaniards were racist to the core. That's why they periodically slaughtered the Chinese and treated native Malays like slaves.

You can look at the Philippines from a hispanic perspective all you want. Just don't be spreading inaccurate facts about my land of birth.
t dot o in 2k3 Monday, September 02, 2002 at 13:16:42 (PDT) [172.146.0.15]

Fisrt of all I don't know where you people get your statistics on the racial composition of Filipinos. During American colonial times the Census no longer had the categories of Mestizo, quadroon, or octoroon. That was only done during the Spanish period. So to say that Filipinos are a certain percentage of whatever is inaccurate. Those statistics are just estimates.

Also, not everyone in the Philippines is Malay or part Malay. The patriarch and matriarch of the Elizalde family is Spanish and American. The Roxas, Ayala, and Soriano clans are German/Spanish. The matriarch of the Lacson clan is Spanish/Chinese. The Gaston clan is French/Chinese. The Aboitiz clan are Basques.

In terms of Identity, Filipinos are regional. I identify myself as an Illongo. Why? That is my culture, language, and my heritage. If you go to Hawai'i, the majority of Filipinos are Ilocano. They have their own culture, language, and identity. There are over 160 different ethnic groups in the Philippines and each are proud of who they are.

This phenomenom of Filipinos categorizing themselves as various mixtures of different races and ethnic groups is a phenomenom I only see in the US. I think it is stupid and it only shows how f****d up Filipino- Americans are. You don't hear Italians claiming that they are Roman/Phoenician/German/Arab nor do you hear Spaniards claiming that they are Arab/Visigoth/Gaul/Roman.
T dot O in 2k3 Monday, September 02, 2002 at 12:40:22 (PDT) [172.128.43.188]

"Human immunoglobulins have structural differences. These
differences can be used as genetic markers for population genetics. One of
these markers Gm is in immunoglobulin G H (heavy) chain. These genetic
markers are inherited in fixed combinations termed Gm haplotypes."
http://home.i1.net/~alchu/hakka/toihak0.htm

When i said that our genes are different i meant in that way.

In frequency i was refering to HLA studies.
Hafti Monday, September 02, 2002 at 12:06:39 (PDT) [142.59.36.71]

To, Sean;

Try to look at the mutations of the genes, and the differences between the genes. Also the frequency of some genes are much higher in some areas and much lower in others.

Maybe i should i worded it better. When i said differences in genes, i meant the differences made in mutations over time.

Immunoglobulin, human lymphocyte antigen, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase mutants, thalassemia mutants, and microsatellite all indicate separate origins of the southern and northern mongoloid populations.

This doesn't mean we are more of less related to an ape, or anything weird like that. It just indicates differences in our overall genes, which could mean that to a certain point we can point out a different ancestor then the one who don't share the same indicators. I do have some belief that at one time the Yueh and Han might have been the same. But because of the separations and islotions later on, we accumulate different traits from our predecessors. Some harmless mutations in our genes form...etc...

That was what i meant.

Where's your source on all that stuff where you said that the northern chinese have a lot of foreign blood? I would like to see this data.
Hafti Monday, September 02, 2002 at 12:00:00 (PDT) [142.59.36.71]

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