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CHINESE MALE/ VIETNAMESE FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS
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Beijing Angelique,
I don't know why you generalize or get your impressions from, but as a 3rd generation Cantonese-American (Toisan origins), I have walked into many stores and restaurants owned by both Cantonese and northern Chinese entrepreneurs. Often, both the Cantonese and northern Chinese workers in these places speak to me in Mandarin. I wouldn't know why the fellow Cantonese would speak to me in Mandarin? I have been to many Vietnamese restaurants too, and they all speak English to me (knowing I am not one of them, and they are too thin compared to average Cantonese anyways). I thought this was only in the good old USA, but when I went to visit China, I travelled to Xian and a couple cities in Xinjiang. In Xian, I easily melt in with the locals. They look different from the typical northern Chinese I meet in the USA (ie. Beijingers, Shandongers). For one thing, they look different. Their features are less harsh than northeastern Han people. In a way, they look more like southern Han facially, but their height approximates the other northerners. When I was visiting the Han and Tang imperial tombs, locals would come up to me in their dialects, thinking I was richer because of the way I dressed.
When we visited Turfan, Kucha and Kashgar in Xinjiang, I let my mustache grow and there too, the local Uigurs took me as one of them. I don't know their dialect, but when I said something I learned in Turkish: "Ben chok iyyim" (I am fine). They thought I was one of them and they gave me 2 musical instruments as a gift. But, the police from Beijing, these local Uigur recognize instantly and keep silent in their presence. For one thing, they look different from the Uigurs, Hui and other northwest Hans. Another group they don't like are the Xibos. These people are direct descendants of nomadic Manchus who settled here as officials after the Manchu emperors used Chinese troops to conquer this region in the 18th cent. The only Han Chinese whom they Uigurs hang out with are the Hui (Han Chinese Muslims). They must have thought I was Hui? I think many Uigurs themselves look more similar to Cantonese than even compared to Beijingers, because like Cantonese, many elder Uigur men are slim and tanned with larger eyes.
In fact, the human genome studies and other relevant genetic studies in China tell us a far clearer picture, the genetic relations between southern Han and northern Han. There are overlaps. Many Chinese in the central provinces (Henan, Ningxia, Hubei) actually cluster with both northern and southern Han. Some relative pure Han groups such as the Hui (native Muslims) show few genetic signs of mixing with Mongols or Manchus as other northern Han have. Thus, in one study, a group of Ningxia Hui (located in northwest China) actually cluster more with the Cantonese, Fujianese, Hunanese than they do with Beijingers, Manchus and other northerners. One group of Han in Henan province also clustered more with southerners than they did with northeasterners. So, the reality is far from clear.
I question the motives of many of the Western geneticists. They clearly want to divide the Chinese Han people and make one feel different from the other.
All Han (whether north or south) have some interconnections way in the past.
There is a Chinese strain of Thalassemia (popular among Cantonese) that is now even found all the way in Turkey.
"Identification of the Chinese IVS-II-654 (C-->T) beta-thalassemia mutation in an immigrant Turkish family: recurrence or migration?
Tadmouri GO, Bilenoglu O, Kutlar F, Markowitz RB, Kutlar A, Basak AN.
Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics, Bogazici University, Bebek, Istanbul, Turkey.
In this study we describe the Chinese IVS-II-654 (C-->T) beta-thalassemia mutation for the first time in an immigrant Turkish family living in Istanbul and originating from Xanthe, Greece. Four members of the family, representing 3 generations, are heterozygous for this mutation. A detailed family history demonstrated a Greek origin for members of 5 generations with no records of migration or consanguineous marriages. Analysis of polymorphic nucleotides located at the 5' end of the beta-globin chromosomes bearing the IVS-II-654 mutation in the family described carried the (AT)9(T)5 type of microsatellite sequence and the ACATCCCCA haplotype. These 2 haplotype components favor a non-Eastern Asian origin for this chromosome, hence suggesting an independent origin for the IVS-II-654 mutation described in this family."
We all know that this is a result of the ancient turks and han people sharing many similar genes and intermixing. Some Turkic rebels joined the Chinese race and some Chinese rebels joined the Turkish race. There was no real Great Wall of China back then. The Turks were the only foreign rulers to have succeeded in assimilating into the Han ethnos, more so than the later Mongols and Manchus. The founders of the Sui and Tang Dynasty had Turkic blood on their maternal side for generations.
A similar strain of Thalassemia found in Canton all the way to Turkey. Again this proves that Cantonese do have connections to "Chungyuan" (classical "northwest China"). And, through the northwest Han Chinese, there is the Turkic-Persian connections too.
So, don't assume that you are a northerner from beijing that you are the superior and true chinese compared to cantonese and other southern han!
The true Chinese began in the Huang Ho up in northwest China (our Chungyuan).
dunhuang
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 02:54:07 (PDT)
Hey, from what i've seen through my vacation to SE asia (laos, cambodia, thailand, and Vietnam) the Vietnamese don't have big noses. It's just thought of that way because it's a rumor, most Vietnamese people have average sized noses.
The ones i've seen to have big noses have some filipino blood in them (i actually ask but not in a rude way). Plus, i've seen A LOT MORE chinese and filipinos with bigger noses then the biggest Vietnamese nose i've seen. And i've actually been to Vietnam and china, not reading from someones posts and just assuming.
A travellers view
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 23:29:53 (PDT)
Well, i guess in an essense the skin of a vietnamese person is kind of pinkish. Not red like a native american, but pink. It's a nice kind of pink. Maybe that's why people say they're bright. When vietnamese people are light they have extremely nice skin, not like when a white person is white. A white person is pale, a vietnamese would be light with a nice pinkish pigment. It makes their face spontaneous and bright. That's why i like vietnamese beauty so much. If you ever go to vietnam you'll see it everywhere, like 75% of vietnam has the pinkish and light look. It's beautiful, i love it.
When a chinese person is light, it's white, not light. It's more of a pale, and doesn't make them look sponataneous.
Well, I'm half white and half chinese, but i travel alot. I went to vietnam and china. I've been to vietnam for a few weeks with a friend and to china for a few weeks to seek out family. I see that the northern chinese are light, but they don't have the brightness in them, that nice pinkness in their skin.
I like vietnamese skin, it has a nice brightness and pinkness to it.
Well, from my travels i've seen that most vietnamese have that brightness and pinkness in them.
Well that's from my travels.
A travellers view
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 23:26:33 (PDT)
I don't know what you are talking about but I think Southern Chinese girls look good especially in the Hong Kong area. I've watch a couple of Hong Kong movies and I think they are the best looking Chinese out there even better then the North or Central Chinese. I would agree that Manchuria Chinese look better then the ordinary Chinese because since they are close to Korea which mean there are mixing there. All I m saying is there are pretty and ugly people in every culture, just that there are more below average looking Chinese people.
I also hate being called Chinese or being confuse with them because I m not them. People are so narrow minded these days thinking every Asians are Chinese. I don't want anything to do with them so get it straight.
UFvtguy
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 19:38:24 (PDT)
If you want to see some TRUE vietnamese beauty then don't go to websites, and avoid those BIG pageants. Those are usually reserved for the children of communist leaders (really, they all are daughters of the communist leaders, thus very little actual beauty ever get's in). That's the reason why when i watch TV and i see those pageants results i can almost cry at what the communist think beauty is.
Go to the smaller villages or just cruise the city. Or watch the smaller pageants for the provinces or cities.
FYI
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 13:10:54 (PDT)
To be honest you WON'T find any real vietnamese beauties on vietfun. You won't find any REAL vietnamese beauties in the vietnamese pageants either as only the rich and those that are the daughters of the rich communist leaders actually get in. Like the singers in vietnam, most of the singers who are famous aren't ranked high by the officials because they aren't from the north when in truth they are the best singers.
The reason why there are MANY, actually an INFINITE number of vietnamese women way cuter and more beautiful or pretty then the vietnamese singers is because, well they aren't supposed to be cute or attractive in the first place, they are there to sing. It's just a bonus for them to look good, but as many can see the vietnamese people don't care about looks much when your a singer, all you need to have is actual singing skills.
Well and it is true that the vietnamese in the northern/central/southeastern areas of vietnam have the brightest and lightest skins in asia. Well that's from my travel experience, i've been to china, thailand, taiwan, japan, india and vietnam on vacations or getaways as some might call it. From my travels the vietnamese do have the brightest and lightest asian skin tone. China would be a close second, like really close, but if i throw in the tropical region and considering that they do live in between the tropic of cancer and the equator then yes, they are WAY brighter and lighter.
That's just from my travels, i've been to Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong and some small villages on tours before. I've been to Shanghai when i was visiting my Grandparents, who reluctantly wouldn't leave their homeland even when my parents offered to get them into america with us. I've spent 3 weeks in Shanghai alone, and two weeks in Beijing when i was touring around with a friend. She got caught up with her family and we stayed there for a while. (1995)
I've been to Vietnam for like 2 weeks, i didn't like Saigon (even though it's officially now Ho Chi Minh City, many many people still call it Saigon) so i decided to go on a tour of the rest of vietnam while my friend was visiting her family (my friends keep on dragging me to places i never regret going to). I went to Dalat, Hue, Quang Nhai, Ba Tri, Nha Trang, Hanoi and other small villages and i seem to notice that they all have bright and light skin. But what puzzles me is that the people in america have dark skin when people in vietnam have light skin. How does that work? Maybe it's because most of the american-viets come from the south and might have some cambodian influence in their lineage.
Ahhh, good times, now i don't have time to travel much, i work too much now. Good old america is working me to the bones.
Hey people, it's not that being lighter or brighter makes you any better. Even though it's true that they are brighter and lighter, we are still equals, hey atleast we have Hong Kong's movie/cinema district to show off our beauties. hehehe
You know sometimes vietnamese people get offended when they are referred to as looking white. I don't know why but i saw this one guy and i thought he was white, he looked at me when i asked him was he part french with weid eyes and said, "no, are you saying i am a french bastard? that my father or mother isn't viet?" maybe it's the fact that he's from a town that fought the french with nothing when the french was financed by the USA and the USA giving the french 1 billion every month to fight.
Hey, what i've said is true, and i've read it in books when younger, i've even been to those countries to prove or atleast back it up with my eyes.
To actually understand it you have to go to Vietnam, it's beautiful there. A close second to china of course. :) j/k it depends on the persons views.
Chinese Girl, Hmmm been there, done that.
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 00:36:48 (PDT)
honestly i think viet girls look better than cantonese girls.
but girls from beijing and shanghai are the best!!!!
beijing fob
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 22:32:19 (PDT)
I find Chinese girls, whether from Chinatown, HK, Taiwan, or China, they are beautiful. I mean, theyyyyyyyyy are BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeautiful. I don't care what other guys say. Chinese girls are BEEEEEEEEEEEEEautiful. She has heart. She has soul. She's an Asian man's dream to comfort him, you know. Okay.
chinalova
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 17:59:45 (PDT)
Well from what i've seen the vietnamese population don't have big noses, just a few do. The amount of vietnamese people with big noses, is like the amount of people who have french blood in them who live IN vietnam (not counting the ones living in america). But that's in vietnam, when you walk around in vietnam you don't see many big noses, it's actually a rarity. Some people in america who are vietnamese are vietnamese, but don't belong to the Kinh Stock of vietnamese people. They're a minority group like the Hmong or something who are known to have big noses, but when you ask them are they vietnamese, then they say they are, because vietnamese describes nationality (you know where your born, like citizenship).
No they don't have high cheek bones.
But there are alot of people with long hair.
And vietnamese people in percentage have a lower number in people who have plastic surgery, the number of koreans are much higher, and in chinese are higher a bit. Saw these numbers somewhere but forgot where.
Hey, i went to vietnam with a friend of mine for a week then we headed to thailand for a few weeks. Nice place to visit.
Chinese Guy
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 14:34:56 (PDT)
dragon:
Those viet singers are very unattractive to me b/c many have had cosmetic surgeries, and they wear too much makeup (even the males -- how gay!). When someone tries too hard too look beautiful...it automatically makes them look unattractive (b/c there insecurities reveal). This doesnt seem to be true with the chinese celebrities.
be
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 14:28:21 (PDT)
Well, when i've been to vietnam i've noticed that on average or as a whole the vietnamese (kinh) are lighter and brighter in skin. That to some might be beautiful to others not. Well, i've been to china and MOST, not all do have ban bao shaped face, it's my personal experience.
Since people keep on talking about personal experience on how they know that chinese women in china are beautiful then i can say the same that vietnamese women are more beautiful in vietnam. Usually the really cute ones live in the villages or Nha Trang. The southerners like in Saigon (currently Ho Chi Minh City) are darker, well 50% of them are. Most americans are from the southern areas like Saigon, and in some ways have darker skins. But most vietnamese people have lighter and brighter skin, like 75% of them are lighter and brighter or something. That's what i saw, i've been to china to Beijing and Hong Kong with some friends for vacatin, and i don't find the women very attractive, or their skin very nicely toned. But hey, that's just Beijing and Hong Kong.
Traveller
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 13:51:02 (PDT)
Beijing Angelique,
um, i've seen chinese female from china. most are waaaay too pale. actually any girl thats too pale doesnt do it for me. u gotta have some color. go get a tan! a lil color makes u look more healthy.
also, zhang ziyi isn't all that. maybe thats what chinese peep in china would like, but most abc wouldn't perfer that.
it seem like your always tring to say the only pretty chinese females are from china or only north china. well, in defence of our sothern chinese women, i would like to say you south CF are the best. u ladies can rock my world any day.
in big cites in west and east coast, and down in houston, most CF from china are quite and shy, no charisma, no energy.why should they represent the CF? the hottest CF i have ever met were cantonese. one was down to earth, the other one was pretty much just nuts. thats what im talkin' bout.
and this CF, VF female thing needs to stop!
Mr. Hann
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 13:21:26 (PDT)
vn_girl says:
"There are alot of people who doesn't know or see of the the asian people, they say that Korean, Jap, or Chinese girls are so beautiful, this is because they saw them on T.V....
The sad thing is that our Vietnamese culture doesn't go on T.V. or have any T.V show because we are less popular."
El says:
I think what you say is true to some extent. A lot of what people think is the result of what the media feeds them.
I think this is one of the reasons why many people here in the West are impressed by Lucy Liu's looks. They haven't seen a lot of Chinese women.
What you say about Vietnam being not popular is interesting. I have known people (non-Vietnamese) who are interested in Vietnam and Vietnamese women, so I don't know.
However (ha, this should really be in the COMPARING ASIANS poll) I have noticed a trend in which people tend to divide things into North and South. The impression I get from some people is that being Northern is superior and that being Southern is inferior. It is assumed by these people that being Northern automatically means to be better-looking, or even to be more intelligent.
What I have said seems to apply mostly to Asians. I've noticed that just because Vietnam is in the South people tend to stereotype Vietnamese as being dark. But the truth is that I've seen a lot of Vietnamese who are lighter than Chinese and Japanese. Then again, what's wrong with dark skin?
Sorry for rambling.
vn_girl says:
"and for those who say that most of the people in China or some part of China looks like Zang Ziyi, I don't think so, "
El says:
Have you been to China?
Maybe I should take back my statement that Chinese women look similar to Zhang Ziyi because it is obvious that most people here think Zhang Ziyi is a goddess.
El
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 12:03:02 (PDT)
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